Many people - here and elsewhere - have put up with Gadaffi as it would (selfishly) "protect British interests".

What if we HAD supported him, and he went on to lose (as seems more likely by the minute) ?

Would the new Government be pleased with our actions - and continue to see us as "friends? Or would they see us as the people who propped up the despot that repressed and murdered them?

I can't see us being at the front of the "friends" queue, if we had supported Gaddafi, can you?

These states are falling like dominos - just as the Russian satellites did in the 1980s - and its important (for British interests) that we are not only on the side of right - but also on the side of those most likely to win !!!!

Take Yemen as an example. Not the most educated population, nor the most internet savvy, but their month-after-month protests have made President Sanna go from very stable to very-likely-to-be-gone within days.

At first he said he would not stand for re-election (in 2014).
Then his Ambassador to the UN quit - and joined the protests.
Then his top Generals also joined the protestors (taking part of the army with them).

Now - he's doing a Mubarak - and says he will go at the end of the year.

The USA has propped him up as a buffer against Al Quaeda.
He is likely to fall.

Clearly, it's time to jump ship !!!

When a ship is sinking its best not to go down with the Captain !

The big problem with this argument is past experience tells us that forced regime change mostly makes things worse not better.

I lived in Ukraine for 6 years,still have a wife and house there.Most of the population are anti western,not pro,yet we helped bring down their old system,leaving a corrupt new one in place.

Without western interference Gaddaffi would easily have won,and things would go back to the same old way as for the last 40 years.Not great for many,but considerably better than the divided nation we see emerging.Remember Iraq,Afghan etc,some of you never learn from past errors.Best to let these places find their own feet.
Does anybody in Iraq still thank Bush/Blair for ruining their country?
This boils down to Obummer and Camerloon trying to look good abroad while messing up their own countries.
i live and work in these places,and get the feel from being their,not reading a badly informed British press.

Solihull Exile wrote:
Without western interference Gaddaffi would easily have won,

People who kill opponents usually do !

{quote]and things would go back to the same old way as for the last 40 years.Not great for many,but considerably better than the divided nation we see emerging.Remember Iraq,Afghan etc,some of you never learn from past errors.Best to let these places find their own feet.
[/quote]

Hitler would have admired you.

In The Know wrote:
Solihull Exile wrote:
Without western interference Gaddaffi would easily have won,

People who kill opponents usually do !

{quote]and things would go back to the same old way as for the last 40 years.Not great for many,but considerably better than the divided nation we see emerging.Remember Iraq,Afghan etc,some of you never learn from past errors.Best to let these places find their own feet.


Hitler would have admired you.[/quote]

Well that's one more person than admires you

You could try living in the real world,actually visiting and living in the places you're so happy to pass comment about.Then perhaps your school boy bias and idealism would eventually come up against reality?
And as for Hitler,wasn't it Locked Out who accused you of being a Nazi supporter the other week?

Solihull Exile wrote:
You could try living in the real world,actually visiting and living in the places you're so happy to pass comment about.Then perhaps your school boy bias and idealism would eventually come up against reality?
And as for Hitler,wasn't it Locked Out who accused you of being a Nazi supporter the other week?

What a childish response !

At least I'm not saying "Let them get on (with the killing) as long as I'm alright Jack" !

In The Know wrote:
Solihull Exile wrote:
You could try living in the real world,actually visiting and living in the places you're so happy to pass comment about.Then perhaps your school boy bias and idealism would eventually come up against reality?
And as for Hitler,wasn't it Locked Out who accused you of being a Nazi supporter the other week?

What a childish response !

At least I'm not saying "Let them get on (with the killing) as long as I'm alright Jack" !

Brain of a pea

Give ur ass a chance,may make more sense than the non researched drivel coming out ur oversized gob

Those who have robbed these countries for years may not like the new situation !

Perhaps they'll have to get a job here (if they can) ?

Solihull Exile wrote:
[quote]In The Know wrote:
[quote]Solihull Exile wrote:
You could try living in the real world,actually visiting and living in the places you're so happy to pass comment about.

says the one who seems to not have noticed the thousands clamouring for freedom !

The days of expats robbing these countries is over - LIVE WITH IT (and get a job here if your qualifications are up to it).

In The Know wrote:
[quote]Solihull Exile wrote:
[quote]In The Know wrote:
Solihull Exile wrote:
You could try living in the real world,actually visiting and living in the places you're so happy to pass comment about.

says the one who seems to not have noticed the thousands clamouring for freedom !

The days of expats robbing these countries is over - LIVE WITH IT (and get a job here if your qualifications are up to it).

Temper temper
My business pays more than well enough,and unlike you I get to travel the world and actually learn something,not sitting around getting my world view from the sun

Talking of jobs,get one yourself,then you'd have a lot less time to fill this forum with ur rubbish

Notice you've started calling the unemployed 'dole scum' elsewhere....people in glass hoses etc...in fact it's about time to hold you to account for your extreme bias on your many posts.Must be lonely having no friends

Solihull Exile wrote:
My business pays more than well enough,and unlike you I get to travel the world and actually learn something,not sitting around getting my world view from the sun

Talking of jobs,get one yourself,then you'd have a lot less time to fill this forum with ur rubbish

Notice you've started calling the unemployed 'dole scum' elsewhere....people in glass hoses etc...in fact it's about time to hold you to account for your extreme bias on your many posts.Must be lonely having no friends

Oh, to believe your own (ill informed and inaccurate) prejudice !

In The Know wrote:
Solihull Exile wrote:
My business pays more than well enough,and unlike you I get to travel the world and actually learn something,not sitting around getting my world view from the sun

Talking of jobs,get one yourself,then you'd have a lot less time to fill this forum with ur rubbish

Notice you've started calling the unemployed 'dole scum' elsewhere....people in glass hoses etc...in fact it's about time to hold you to account for your extreme bias on your many posts.Must be lonely having no friends

Oh, to believe your own (ill informed and inaccurate) prejudice !
you should get a job,get out more,save you boring us.

Solihull Exile wrote:
you should get a job,get out more,save you boring us.

Yet another argument lost ???

This is starting to get embarrassing for you.

In The Know wrote:
Solihull Exile wrote:
you should get a job,get out more,save you boring us.

Yet another argument lost ???

This is starting to get embarrassing for you.

You're getting good at this trolling
Oh and you're also getting hammered all over the place for your attitude