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Face it, Mr Micawber's principle provides the perfect model for Daveism

like this bit : "He's popular. Even Daily Mail readers have heard of him."

for ITK : "As for the poor, "they had better die then, and diminish the surplus population," as Scrooge says in A Christmas Carol"

veritas wrote:

for ITK : "As for the poor, "they had better die then, and diminish the surplus population," as Scrooge says in A Christmas Carol"

Let me know veritas when YOU want to start paying for these scroungers - I wont stand in your way - instead of expecting everyone else to.

Times are hard ... why should hard working families subsidies these spongers ?

In the vast majority of the world if you dont work you starve ... I'd rather any spare cash was spent on those who need help (like food) in order to achieve their capabilities ... not chuck further money at those who have wasted every penny so far spent.

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:

for ITK : "As for the poor, "they had better die then, and diminish the surplus population," as Scrooge says in A Christmas Carol"

Let me know veritas when YOU want to start paying for these scroungers - I wont stand in your way - instead of expecting everyone else to.

Times are hard ... why should hard working families subsidies these spongers ?

In the vast majority of the world if you dont work you starve ... I'd rather any spare cash was spent on those who need help (like food) in order to achieve their capabilities ... not chuck further money at those who have wasted every penny so far spent.

The trouble with any welfare system is that once you start it you can't stop.It eats all money you give it,and still wants more.
While I'm all for supporting the poor it does unfortunately breed poverty,and traps those involved in it,and those paying for it into a cycle very hard to break out of.
That said,what to do with those already caught up in it?

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:

for ITK : "As for the poor, "they had better die then, and diminish the surplus population," as Scrooge says in A Christmas Carol"

Let me know veritas when YOU want to start paying for these scroungers - I wont stand in your way - instead of expecting everyone else to.

Times are hard ... why should hard working families subsidies these spongers ?

In the vast majority of the world if you dont work you starve ... I'd rather any spare cash was spent on those who need help (like food) in order to achieve their capabilities ... not chuck further money at those who have wasted every penny so far spent.

I don't know who these "scroungers" are but now knowing you , you most likely mean everyone on welfare.

I do pay for them.
I've always paid my taxes and worked all my life. I'm more than happy to subsidise those who aren't working.

Quite apart from it's my belief that all of society owns everything (lets not get into how generations of thugs and thieves have co-opted large parts of Britain and every other country for their own benefit)...it makes very practical good sense.

Rather than have a huge sector of society roaming about hitting people over the heads with bricks to grab their cash, I prefer subsiding them and know that every penny in welfare goes straight back into the economy that week.

Thankfully both the Tories and Labour agree with me and it isn't going to change.

Your approach seems to be to hand out loaves of bread from the back of a truck.They did that in Britain and the USA during the Great Depression. Then FDR came along in the USA and introduced the new Deal ( perhaps inspired by Lloyd George ) that gave Americans even better welfare than Britain and as a result the USA grew a huge middle-class and the country became richer than any other on earth..all that now being dismantled by successive presidents.

I think you would like an army of petty beaurocrats deciding who should receive and how many loaves they get that week. Of course the cost of delivering that loaf of bread would be ten times what we now pay put in welfare but I doubt that would bother you...as long as the 'scroungers' are seen to be punished.

(PS : would you make the scrounger occupying Buckingham Palace queue up for their bread ? )

one last economics lesson- you can either work out what caused the recent riots which has resulted in unimaginable costs (and by just a small number of people !!) and set that right, or you can do what the government will most likely do..ignore and continue the usual but spend billions on policing, jails and so on. That is the more preferable to the Daily Mail, Sun etc as it keeps the stories rolling in)

Innocent Accused wrote:
The trouble with any welfare system is that once you start it you can't stop.It eats all money you give it,and still wants more.
While I'm all for supporting the poor it does unfortunately breed poverty,and traps those involved in it,and those paying for it into a cycle very hard to break out of.

We've already spent around 100K on each and every child by the time they finish their education. Many leave school virtually illiterate (and certainly unemployable). What about bringing-in 2 yearly exams? If you dont pass each stage, then not a penny further is spent on you. If that doesnt get the message across then I dont know what will.

That said,what to do with those already caught up in it?

The system has to stop ... the reason that we are where we are now is that people have never put their foot down and said enough is enough ... as a result entire families of scroungers have bred even more (always telling them that "the system" (ie US !) will provide) !

It wont be too late for all ... the young can get out of bed, and start doing something / anything (at least that might make them a little more palatable to future employers)!

The rest will just have to suffer ... and make a great contribution to future society (their ONLY contribution !) by showing others what happens if you are idle and bleed society dry.

You are beyond hope, veritas !

Again you go on about "handing out loaves of bread" (I thought we'd have to deliver them - far too much to expect them to get out of bed and actually fetch one, eh?)...

When are these people going to do something for themselves?
When will they take some responsibility (for their future, their lives, their children ?????)

Or in loony la-la Labour-land is it always someone else's fault ?