In his "New Year Address" - why do we need an "address" from this man??? - he berates those of us who don't Love-A-Looter and chides us all for not supporting young people enough.

Is he sane ?

We provide financial support for mothers before the child is even born, then pay a maternity grant, followed by family allowance payments every week until the child leaves education - ALL FREE !

Mothers are allowed to sabotage the workplace with their "statutory" time of work for pregnancy etc - putting unplanned hurdles in front of many small firms.

We supply FREE Council flats for those not married - and allow them to get benefits for years - whilest not paying ANY taxes (all because they couldn't be bothered to take the pills which are handed out - FREE - from the age of about 8 !!!!).

We pay unemployment benefit for those who have wasted their education - thus supporting them until they bother to find work suitable to their capabilities.

Until recently - when we came to our senses - we actually paid (EMA grant) children to go to school !

What purpose does this man serve? Who pays him ? I suspect that he's getting something from the taxpayers.

After all, we can all be weird hippies, cant we - especially when we dont have to work for a living !

Yes he is...as sane as you or me.

But, you seem to think the matters you type about are something to do with him, a cleric.

They are not.

sounds sane to me

Happy New Year ITK

Petra wrote:
Yes he is...as sane as you or me.

But, you seem to think the matters you type about are something to do with him, a cleric.

They are not

Then is he totally devoid of reality ?
Does he not realise exactly what we DO do ?

Why else would he make such a ridiculous appeal ?

in fine Daily Mail style you attack the wrong people.

Applying for and accepting whatever government benefits are on offer is a legitimate exercise yet you seem to attack people for doing so...as though they made the rules when they haven't got a hope in hell of doing so.

You also propose that such things should be scrapped but offer nil solutions apart from a fairy tale like belief that tossing hundreds of thousands (no millions as you lump all welfare recipients into one bundle) onto the street without the dole etc will create instant jobs (when it's more likely to bring on a total collapse of the economy).

Such complex matters of housing those millions of people who have no control over an artificial boom in housing costs is ignored. You attack those who may receive housing benefits to pay private landlords yet ignore those landlords who are being artificially subsidised by taxpayers to build assets.

Attacking the Archbishop who is doing what they have done for centuries..speak up for their flock ...is another symptom of the decay in British life and institutions. You even attack the greatest tourist money spinner..the royals.

I think you have a NYE hangover!

I was on sickness benefit for about 18 months after my breakdown. I saw that as 'withdrawing' the 15 years or so of full time work that went in beforehand, without any unemployment breaks (bar the odd week here or there I took off between jobs, unpaid).

I'm now self employed, loving it and making money, despite being told there is no money out there! Those with an imagination, are creative and get to understand the market and therefore the customers, will get on. Cowell has that sort of understanding and I begrudgingly admire him for it.

steveimp wrote:
I was on sickness benefit for about 18 months after my breakdown. I saw that as 'withdrawing' the 15 years or so of full time work that went in beforehand, without any unemployment breaks (bar the odd week here or there I took off between jobs, unpaid).

I'm now self employed, loving it and making money, despite being told there is no money out there! Those with an imagination, are creative and get to understand the market and therefore the customers, will get on. Cowell has that sort of understanding and I begrudgingly admire him for it.

steveimp I've survived all my life without benefits and the one time I was unemployed for 18 months (70s) I didn't even know there was the dole.

I'm a natural hustler who will always survive but 90% of people are not. In fact because they are not you and I can hustle to live.

Combine a booming population (around the world) with plunging jobs worldwide as technology takes over, plus 'out sourcing (unless you haven't noticed most of the West has outsourced industry to Asia) and there is the dilemna which governments...and especially the Tories (set-up by Nu Labour to fail) and a gigantic problem is about to burst forth.

steveimp wrote:
I was on sickness benefit for about 18 months after my breakdown. I saw that as 'withdrawing' the 15 years or so of full time work that went in beforehand, without any unemployment breaks (bar the odd week here or there I took off between jobs, unpaid).

I'm now self employed, loving it and making money, despite being told there is no money out there! Those with an imagination, are creative and get to understand the market and therefore the customers, will get on. Cowell has that sort of understanding and I begrudgingly admire him for it.

Was in exactly the same position during the wait for my trial.Anybody who thinks benefits are an easy option should try living on them.
In my case I lost a well paid foreign post after the withdrawal of my passport,and the constant stress meant I had no hope of working while it lurked over me.
That said I now travel the world for my own business,I do feel we should target benefits better,Cameron seems to be hitting the sick while leaving many who don't deserve to carry on claiming.

Innocent Accused wrote:
steveimp wrote:
I was on sickness benefit for about 18 months after my breakdown. I saw that as 'withdrawing' the 15 years or so of full time work that went in beforehand, without any unemployment breaks (bar the odd week here or there I took off between jobs, unpaid).

I'm now self employed, loving it and making money, despite being told there is no money out there! Those with an imagination, are creative and get to understand the market and therefore the customers, will get on. Cowell has that sort of understanding and I begrudgingly admire him for it.

Was in exactly the same position during the wait for my trial.Anybody who thinks benefits are an easy option should try living on them.
In my case I lost a well paid foreign post after the withdrawal of my passport,and the constant stress meant I had no hope of working while it lurked over me.
That said I now travel the world for my own business,I do feel we should target benefits better,Cameron seems to be hitting the sick while leaving many who don't deserve to carry on claiming.

agreed that benefits could probably be streamlined but the attacks are directed at those least able to respond..welfare recipients...who are are abused, defamed and lied about as though they all act as one group when they are actually individuals acting within the law.

I haven't read one attack from clueless politicians on property developers who build wealth and property via rent subsidies in an artificially created property boom.

steveimp wrote:
I was on sickness benefit for about 18 months after my breakdown. I saw that as 'withdrawing' the 15 years or so of full time work that went in beforehand, without any unemployment breaks

Compare that to those who have never paid a penny "in" - and will always take, take, take !

I'm now self employed, loving it and making money, despite being told there is no money out there! Those with an imagination, are creative and get to understand the market and therefore the customers, will get on. Cowell has that sort of understanding and I begrudgingly admire him for it.

As I said previously, we all have to find our "level" - the unemployed say there are no jobs - what they mean is there are no jobs (for them) that will pay them the lifestyle they crave.

They will get a job fitting their abilities and talents.

Innocent Accused wrote:
I do feel we should target benefits better,Cameron seems to be hitting the sick while leaving many who don't deserve to carry on claiming.

All in time, IA

We must lose this "blackmail" culture ... where we pay the scroungers because they have children (and claim we would be hurting their innocent children if we didn't).

It is those producing the children - with no hope of every supporting them properly - who are committing the abuse.

veritas wrote:
you attack the wrong people.

I'm attacking the loony who made ill-thought-out loony comments !

You even attack the greatest tourist money spinner..the royals.

Rubbish !
Disney doesn't do too bad does it ... perhaps Mickey Mouse on the stamps (do you really believe we would sell less?).

The HISTORY of Britain - which would exist without the current lot - would still attract millions of tourists.

In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
I do feel we should target benefits better,Cameron seems to be hitting the sick while leaving many who don't deserve to carry on claiming.

All in time, IA

We must lose this "blackmail" culture ... where we pay the scroungers because they have children (and claim we would be hurting their innocent children if we didn't).

It is those producing the children - with no hope of every supporting them properly - who are committing the abuse.

We certainly need reform ITK,but instead of starting with genuine sick cases I'd get rid of the thousands of immigrants here claiming benefits first.

Innocent Accused wrote:
I'd get rid of the thousands of immigrants here claiming benefits first.

... and recall the many millions of Britains living abroad ?

In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
I'd get rid of the thousands of immigrants here claiming benefits first.

... and recall the many millions of Britains living abroad ?

How many of them are claiming benefits ?
I travel abroad all the time,and all over the world,and I struggle to name a place in the EU where Brits can just go and live off benefits.
Our system is different,and as such easily exploited,that needs changing,and still waiting for Dave & co to get it right.

In The Know wrote:
In his "New Year Address" - why do we need an "address" from this man??? - he berates those of us who don't Love-A-Looter and chides us all for not supporting young people enough.

Is he sane ?

We provide financial support for mothers before the child is even born, then pay a maternity grant, followed by family allowance payments every week until the child leaves education - ALL FREE !

Mothers are allowed to sabotage the workplace with their "statutory" time of work for pregnancy etc - putting unplanned hurdles in front of many small firms.

We supply FREE Council flats for those not married - and allow them to get benefits for years - whilest not paying ANY taxes (all because they couldn't be bothered to take the pills which are handed out - FREE - from the age of about 8 !!!!).

We pay unemployment benefit for those who have wasted their education - thus supporting them until they bother to find work suitable to their capabilities.

Until recently - when we came to our senses - we actually paid (EMA grant) children to go to school !

What purpose does this man serve? Who pays him ? I suspect that he's getting something from the taxpayers.

After all, we can all be weird hippies, cant we - especially when we dont have to work for a living !

Is ITK sane?

Life is never as simple as your simplistic 'Sun' reader mentality would have it.
Still at least we have more fun when you're around.

your'e all balmy

Innocent Accused wrote:
I travel abroad all the time,and all over the world,and I struggle to name a place in the EU where Brits can just go and live off benefits.

Spain ! (about a million of them at last count).

In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
I travel abroad all the time,and all over the world,and I struggle to name a place in the EU where Brits can just go and live off benefits.

Spain ! (about a million of them at last count).

Actually most Brits living in Spain retired there,bringing in valuable foreign currency reserves without which Spain would have gone bust years ago.You only qualify for benefits after working there for a period of time.It also has some of the lowest benefit levels of western europe for those who do eventually qualify.
A bit of research before these type of posts would not be the worst idea in the world.
On the other hand can you tell me what use all the unemployed gypsies are living round the corner from me,and filling up the council housing benefit office and the job centre?
You can't have a generous benefit system and unlimited immigration,and we're pretty much alone in the EU in doing so.