Borrowing Mein Kampf and fairly it's interesting once you get past the self indulgent etc. Here's what I like a country in ruins, get reformed unemployment abolished and industry soaring construction jobs are every where. Our country goes to war unemployment figures go up, our car industry collapse and with Collation in charge poor are getting poorer. Maybe if Hitler was alive, British, not a mad man or obsessed with anti-semitism imagine what he could do if he England if he PM.

A far too simple analogy, andrew.

Nothing is the fault of the Coalition - they have only been in power 18 months. Our debt is Labour's Debt !

Our unemployment is Labour's unemployment - because they almost encouraged people to sit at home, giving them tax credits (whatever they are !) instead of encouraging people to make the most of their advantages.

Ah, and the car industry !!! - driven into bankruptcy by Labour's friends and paymasters, the Unions.

You seem to forget that Labour controlled (destroyed !!!!) our economy for 13 years !!!!!

In order to start investment - eg construction jobs (and isn't the Olympics the BIGGEST ever construction job already???) - you would have to borrow. That means higher repayments ... do the people want to be squeezed even further to pay the higher costs?

Follow the loony Labour route and you end up like Greece - totally bankrupt.

The Coatlition is on course to clear Labour's debt by 2015 ... then we can start to rebuild.

Thing about the Olympic Village it's mostly Europeans constructors same with Wembley Stadium was built. Do you think ITK the debt will be wiped by then ?

andrew wrote:
Borrowing Mein Kampf and fairly it's interesting once you get past the self indulgent etc. Here's what I like a country in ruins, get reformed unemployment abolished and industry soaring construction jobs are every where. Our country goes to war unemployment figures go up, our car industry collapse and with Collation in charge poor are getting poorer. Maybe if Hitler was alive, British, not a mad man or obsessed with anti-semitism imagine what he could do if he England if he PM.

The theory did not work in reality. Germany was actually spending far more than it could ever afford before WW2 building up its infrastructure and heavy industries. This gave the outside world a false impression of wealth and success, but their credit crunch was already happening - wages were being lowered all the time and their external debt was dreadful. This got even worse when other nations refused to lend to them.
Obviously they had rather a rather desperate, sinister agenda in order to help their balance of payments - invading and taking over another country's resources was one idea. Another one was not only to kick the Jews out, but also expropriate a large chunk of their estate to do so which subsequently led onto the even more simple murderous methods.

quite apart from ITK's fantasy that there is actually a difference between Noo Labour and The Coalition...your better choice would be the great American president FDR who faced similar problems to pre-war Germany and solved them in a far better way...massive public programs and huge injection in social security.

It set the USA up to become the richest and most powerful nation with an ever growing middle class.

All undone by every US president from Reagan onwards (including Clinton/Obama)

We have Hitler now in many guises and increasing Fascism but in a far cleverer way...no need for a nutter like Adolf when you have 9/11, 7/11, Bin Laden, Facebook declaring no secrets ever again etc etc ad nauseum.

andrew wrote:
Thing about the Olympic Village it's mostly Europeans constructors same with Wembley Stadium was built. Do you think ITK the debt will be wiped by then ?

Therein lies the problem, andrew.

If you were planning a new construction would you want an efficient proven company / workforce ... or the workshy, overpaid UK mob ? Exactly !

The UK must learn its lesson ... you only get high wages IF you deserve them. For years we have paid high wages and then wondered how we could pay for them.

The debt is on-course to be 95% removed by 2015.

veritas wrote:
...your better choice would be the great American president FDR who faced similar problems to pre-war Germany and solved them in a far better way...massive public programs and huge injection in social security.

You've gone on and on about this for ages veritas - BUT the situation is entirely different.

The US has a work ethic - and people who do not make any attempt at work are frowned on at the very least. Their social security system also ensures that people look for work. It doesn't hand out cash and make sure people who scrounge are better off than those who work (and contribute to society).

We are getting there .....

I heard the US gives out food vouchers which excludes smokes and booze is that ITK ? Also I heard that you can only get them for 6 months then you get nothing. I know in Switzerland you have to a number of hours of community work then you get benefits paid.

andrew wrote:
I heard the US gives out food vouchers which excludes smokes and booze is that ITK ? Also I heard that you can only get them for 6 months then you get nothing. I know in Switzerland you have to a number of hours of community work then you get benefits paid.

Am not completely up-to-date on the details but you certainly tend to get vouchers etc rather than cash you can spend on scratch cards !

andrew wrote:
I heard the US gives out food vouchers which excludes smokes and booze is that ITK ? Also I heard that you can only get them for 6 months then you get nothing. I know in Switzerland you have to a number of hours of community work then you get benefits paid.

Probably half of the middle class in the USA now survives on food stamps...over 100M Americans now receive food stamps. There is no time limit.

It's yet another fact-the USA has since the 1930s had welfare benefits that at times, far outstrip Europe's.

There is a time limit on the dole but once that is reached every US state takes up the slack. But these facts are little known by the ITKs of the world who live in a fantasy world where those out of work are at fault.

They believe the artificial construction of a 'capitalist' society such as rising housing costs happens within a bubble of it's own creation.

Food stamps are administered by a private corporation- Goldman Sachs who are paid hundreds of millions of dollars to do so...another sign of Fascism which is the government paying private corporations to do their job.

British workers take note : ITK thinks you are all lazy scroungers.

veritas wrote:
Probably half of the middle class in the USA now survives on food stamps...over 100M Americans now receive food stamps. There is no time limit.

It's yet another fact-the USA has since the 1930s had welfare benefits that at times, far outstrip Europe's.

There is a time limit on the dole but once that is reached every US state takes up the slack.

NOTE - food stamps (ie vouchers ... not CASH for scratch cards / mobile phones / binge drinking etc !

But these facts are little known by the ITKs of the world who live in a fantasy world where those out of work are at fault.

Not always veritas - but frequently.
Anyone out of work (and sitting at home doing nothing) for example.

If someone cant find a job within a few months (max) then they need to retrain in something that is in demand.

Remember those people who had been on the dole for more than 10 years, veritas?
They could have got THREE new degrees in that time - when it was free !!!(if they weren't bone idle scroungers).

British workers take note : ITK thinks you are all lazy scroungers.

Nope, I just live in a REAL world.
You cant pay people more than they are worth ... and they are worth whatever the public will pay for the product they produce.

now ... where was that advert for a penny-farthing bicycle repair man ??? LOL !

You think the minimum wage is ample then ?

andrew wrote:
You think the minimum wage is ample then ?

depends what you mean, andrew.

If people are only prepared to pay £2 for a tee shirt from Primark then they can only be made at that price in some sweatshop in the Far East.

If, by demanding minimum wage people have priced themselves out of a job, and cant find anything else, what are we to do about it?

Should we force people to buy British (at much higher prices)?

Should we subsidise the firms so they can employ people (wouldn't that be unfair to firms that dont need subsidy ... and wouldn't people take advantage)? Wouldn't that be just folowing a communist route (and we all know how efficient the communist factories are, don't we LOL !)

The fact is, something is worth whatever someone else is prepared to pay for it.

I mean pay wise ITK do you think £6.06p is enough to survive with hours being cut and fuel prices rising ?

andrew wrote:
I mean pay wise ITK do you think £6.06p is enough to survive with hours being cut and fuel prices rising ?

Chicken / Egg, andrew !
Live by your means (whatever they are).

£6.06 an hour is better than £XX (dont know what it is) dole isnt it ?

For the alternative, see Greece (where the "minimum wage" has just been cut by 50% !)

Dole money is £144 a fortnight ITK whats the min wage in Greece can you still retire at 50 ?

In The Know wrote:

Live by your means (whatever they are).

something not expected of the corporations and landlords who are subsidised with welfare.

see bank bailout.

andrew wrote:
Dole money is £144 a fortnight ITK whats the min wage in Greece can you still retire at 50 ?

£136 per 2 weeks to be exact.

andrew wrote:
Dole money is £144 a fortnight ITK

...plus ?

FREE housing ?
FREE Council Taxes ?
and other perks ?

whats the min wage in Greece can you still retire at 50 ?

In some cases less than 3 Euros an hour (thats what happens when you cant pay your bills !)

The new minimum wages for work starters, whether with University degree or primary education, will be:

Group A) Unmarried, over 25 years old, will get 586 EUR (489 EUR net) for the first 3 years of work, and 750 EUR after 9 years. That is in 2021, the employee will earn as much as a new starter was earning until 1.1.2012

Group Married , over 25 years old will get 644 EUR for the first, 3 years and 808 EUR after 9 years.

Group C) Employees until 25 years old will get 510 EUR (440 EUR net). The employer will be allowed to dismiss older and more expensive employees and hire cheap labour craft.

Unemployment allowance is expected to drop from 461 EUR down to 359 EUR. Unemployment allowance is given for the time period of 12 months, independently of how many years the jobless has worked

Greek retirement age is 65, according to - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement

Greece's government intends to raise the national pension age and ban early retirement as it tries to tackle its huge budget deficit.

The socialist government said it wanted to increase the average retirement age from 61 to 63 by 2015.

The steps would be part of a series of austerity measures aimed at curbing the country's deficit and national debt.

from - news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8506142.stm