I shouldn't be shocked but I am. This is sheer madness and especially with this G4S mob who have a woeful track record around the world.

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/02/police...security-firms-crime

the things that can wrong so easily...I had the responsibility to ensure a pal on bail signed on each week. I never realised these services in NSW were now run by GS4 working behind the counter.

Those signing on had to get a receipt each time as proof. My pal went and signed after I telephoned him. The GS4 twits said the computer was down..he never got his receipt..I dragged him back there a few hours later to get a photograph with 2 witnesses to prove he had tried.

The GS4 woman was very stroppy..insulting.

Sure enough 2 days later he got raided (6AM for Sun hacks!) and arrested...it took a day to sort the hassle out.Solicitor's fees etc.

more little steps to fascism and a private police force.

It makes perfect sense to me (but the police are not happy !)

For years they have complained about the amount of time they spend filling in forms etc (the intention, of course, was to get their budget upped and more police employed).

Well that has totally backfired !

Why should a well paid / trained police officer waste time standing outside a crime scene? - when a much lower cost security guard could do the same thing .... far cheaper ?

Similarly with countless other jobs - from routine paperwork to running custody suites - they do NOT need policemen to do the job (in fact it may be better justice for everyone if the police did NOT do the job !)

Let's get the police back on the streets, and the clerks in the offices.

what a bizarre idea?

the police can simply hire civilian workers for office work.

Why out source to private corporations that have to make a profit and will cut corners in every way to maximize profits?.

It is of course the Noo Labour /Tory way that still proclaims despite the evidence that 'privatization' works..that mantra that says people when workers move to private ownership they are transformed into miracle workers.

veritas wrote:
..that mantra that says people when workers move to private ownership they are transformed into miracle workers.

They are ... otherwise they lose their jobs !

Mo hiding behind loony Unions these days, veritas - Unions that want to "protect workers rights" no matter how unsuitable they are for the job.

Anything "public sector" is wasteful by definition.
We want properly managed and run businesses - that will reap the rewards if they are successful and suffer if they make a loss.

so you admit the police force should be a 'business' and want to do away with police unions

just read about a prison in LA where the wealthy end up going because they can pay for privileges...hit & run driver in Bentley(left girl dead)...got 12 months..did 4 in country club style...had food sent in and cable TV.

the great problem with taking jobs away from civil servants who have job security and the promise of pensions is you remove the incentive to perform ..people don't want to stuff up their careers.

another privatisation scam and myth...the same people who run things when employed by the government will do better when they work for private corporation with no job security or union to protect them.

more wacky ITK ideas.

Oddly prophetic!!

I'm currently contracted to work twice a week as an IT Manager for a local company that is close to administration.
The last management team in there were incredibly wasteful, buying laptops, stationery, modern furniture that was not needed - it seems that they were in constant war with the companies owner who resides outside the country and were sticking two fingers to him constantly. The wasteful nature of what I've walked into is absolutely disgusting - all this new stuff, but the servers have never been backed up and they only had 1 MS Office licence for the whole building! It's not just public sector employment that's wasteful, there's an awful amount of waste in the private sector too.

veritas wrote:
so you admit the police force should be a 'business' and want to do away with police unions(

Business is the wrong word ... but everyone including the police has to stay within set budgets.(The MoD have just had a shock haven't they? Ended up with aircdraft carriers and no aircraft ! They will be a little more careful in future)

We can only afford what we can afford ... if someone overspends then someone else has to suffer to balance the difference.

It's the only way they learn veritas !

you need to explain how staying "within a budget" translates into privately owned for profit corporations doing the job cheaper.

But of course they never do , do they ?

like the dodgy firms claiming to put people into jobs cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of pounds (not a peep from you about that..just single mum diatribes) or the corps that have set up disastrous computer networks for the government departments have cost over a billion pounds (and they still don;t work)..NHS quangos, expensive badly run rail networks..



privatising sections of the police is a train wreck waiting to happen.

(and no 'loonie Labour' stuff please..Noo Labour/Blair..same same Tory/Cameron etc etc)

veritas wrote:
privatising sections of the police is a train wreck waiting to happen.

More nonsense, veritas !

Please explain why it is better to pay a policeman to stand outside an empty building rather than pay a security guard who would be on maybe 1/3 the hourly rate ?

This is veritas' economics ! (Are you of Greek descent, veritas?)

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
privatising sections of the police is a train wreck waiting to happen.

More nonsense, veritas !

Please explain why it is better to pay a policeman to stand outside an empty building rather than pay a security guard who would be on maybe 1/3 the hourly rate ?

This is veritas' economics ! (Are you of Greek descent, veritas?)

pay peanuts..get monkeys.

veritas wrote:
pay peanuts..get monkeys.

.. get value for money (because you are paying what the job is worth).

Since you dont seem to understand normal economics, veritas, try this -

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17221172

Club overspends
Club goes broke
Club has to sell assets and cut costs

you see, it's easy !

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
pay peanuts..get monkeys.

.. get value for money (because you are paying what the job is worth).

Since you dont seem to understand normal economics, veritas, try this -

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17221172

Club overspends
Club goes broke
Club has to sell assets and cut costs

you see, it's easy !

sounds like a better financial manager is needed.

even simpler economics...If you have a budget which doesn't need to leave a profit at the end..the lot can be spent on providing the service.

However you need to accept that people should be paid a decent wage. If you want the system to continue.

why the USA is heading for a collapse : rampant privatisation has concentrated wealth into less hands than before 1930. No money spread about...bye bye capitalism.

veritas wrote:
However you need to accept that people should be paid a decent wage.

I do not need to "accept" anything ... I am not looking for a job !

You STILL have your priorities wrong ... you say people should be PAID a decent wage ... not people should EARN a decent wage.

Its up to the individual veritas, to make themselves employable, not up to us to provide a "decent" wage and hope we get a suitable candidate.

not even Tories think like you. Bizarre. You should join Ron Paul's batty Libertarians. They live in a fantasy world as well

veritas wrote:
not even Tories think like you. Bizarre.

Not at all.
Yet ANOTHER example today ... Remploy factories to close with 1700 redundancies.

They lost 68.3 million last year alone !

Why keep factories open, to make goods that no one wants and no one will buy, just to keep a few off the unemployed statistics?

It's (Labour) lunacy !!!!

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
not even Tories think like you. Bizarre.

Not at all.
Yet ANOTHER example today ... Remploy factories to close with 1700 redundancies.

They lost 68.3 million last year alone !

Why keep factories open, to make goods that no one wants and no one will buy, just to keep a few off the unemployed statistics?

It's (Labour) lunacy !!!!

no idea what Remploy has to do with privatising police

veritas wrote:
no idea what Remploy has to do with privatising police

Both involve paying people (over the odds) to do jobs that could be done cheaper by someone else.

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
no idea what Remploy has to do with privatising police

Both involve paying people (over the odds) to do jobs that could be done cheaper by someone else.

maybe you will be outsourced one day