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crikey.. a really sensible post!

I am shocked..shocked I say..when I return and want to visit friends in the country. Cheaper to hire a car. It used to be the opposite.

I'm afraid you are wasting your time with this one !

For years the majority have subsidise the minority, and that must come to an end.

WHY should non-rail users subsidies those who do use rail ?

The rail services carry more people now than for nearly a century - if they cant balance the books its time to quit.

(PS - I use rail frequently).

Why do we have some of the most expensive rail services in the world?

IA not signed in wrote:
Why do we have some of the most expensive rail services in the world?

Perhaps you are starting at the wrong end, IA ?

Why not ask why EVERY train operating company (and there were 100's of them)
MADE A PROFIT prior to nationalisation ?

PRIVATE investors risked PRIVATE cash to invest in building all the stock, trains, carriages and infrastructure and operated successfully for many many years ... creating jobs, wealth, expansion, trade and industry.

Then along came trade unions ..........

(All the above applies equally to coal mining companies - but don't tell veritas)

Non- rail users should subsidise rail users because they will benefit from it by having less congested roads, cleaner environments, and the delaying of global warming.

More and more children are growing up with ashtma and other respiratory diseases due to inhaling car fumes. Police and ambulance services spend vastly more time and money dealing with car incidents than rail related incidents.

For the greater good, car users should subsidise rail users, particulary 4 x 4 drivers who pollute the atmosphere, kill children and break the roads with their heavy vehicles.

In The Know wrote:
IA not signed in wrote:
Why do we have some of the most expensive rail services in the world?

Perhaps you are starting at the wrong end, IA ?

Why not ask why EVERY train operating company (and there were 100's of them)
MADE A PROFIT prior to nationalisation ?

PRIVATE investors risked PRIVATE cash to invest in building all the stock, trains, carriages and infrastructure and operated successfully for many many years ... creating jobs, wealth, expansion, trade and industry.

Then along came trade unions ..........

(All the above applies equally to coal mining companies - but don't tell veritas)

I'm all for privatizations where real competition occurs ITK.However......

IA again wrote:
[quoteI'm all for privatizations where real competition occurs ITK.However......[/quote]

There is nothing ... repeat nothing ... to stop you starting your own train company (just as the original pioneers did).

WHY should non-rail users subsidies those who do use rail ?

Are you talking about New Deal travel card ITK ? Comes in handy for 6 months half price train fare, Stagecoach buses used to accept them many moons ago.

Rail travel is privatised, it is run by the likes of Virgin, Arriva, and many others on a monopoly basis in each area. If you want to get a fast train from Guildford to London Waterloo, you have to go by South West Trains, there is no competition.

In The Know wrote:
IA again wrote:
[quoteI'm all for privatizations where real competition occurs ITK.However......[/quote]

There is nothing ... repeat nothing ... to stop you starting your own train company (just as the original pioneers did).

You have to bid for the franchise,have bulti millions of pounds....oh and even then each region only has one operator.

wake up folks...all these 'privatised' networks receive huge government subsidies.

using ITK's logic (and Noo Labour/Tory)and bizarre love affair with privatisation..why then are not roads privatised?

In fact why even gather taxes under this half pregnant whacko system...bugger taxes. Let's have private armies, police force (almost there -see Independent) hospitals, civil service, royal family roads etc etc...every fucking thing.

Then when there are no friggin trains to small villages and towns because they are not profitable and everyone has to live in a central city, watch house prices soar and plummet in small towns.No family subsidies...send the fucking kids down the friggin mines or to stack supermarket shelves etc etc

the problems are too numerous to list.