Awful; not a real song; could get NUL Points. And the concentration camp video is horrid.

You can't do this to us JK. My testosterone levels keep lowering when people keep posting Olly.

I do like Latvia and Ireland songs BTW.

I reckon Croatia - awful but catchy and rather fun.

Historically we seem to have done best by sending groups to Eurovision, so why do we not as a country seem inclined to go for a good group anymore and obsess with solo artists nowadays? The only outright win we've had with a solo act is way back in 1967! I find it hard to count Lulu as a real winner considering she shared it with three others.

One of my guilty Eurovision pleasures is Belle & The Devotions, Love Games, 40th anniversary of that one, our '84 entry.

JK2006 wrote:
Awful; not a real song; could get NUL Points. And the concentration camp video is horrid.
It’s a non-song. Looks and sounds - both critical for today’s Eurovision rather than song quality - oriented to a LBGTQ+ audience.

Not only that, but all our winners have been at least 50% female. Either a female solo singer or a group with 50% females. You could say that Katrina & the Waves have more male members, but its essentially Katrina with some session musicians. I remember Belle & the Devotions, they had a very good track. I think it was accused of copying a motown track. One of my favourites was Bardo with "One step further"

My favourites this year are Luxembourg and Cyprus, but essentially not a decent tune among the lot.

After I tipped Croatia 2 months ago - watching the first semi - Croatia head and shoulders above the rest - all the others had weak songs with over-the-top performances. Anything vaguely original or interesting failed to get through but nothing else sounded like a hit. Unless 2 shows us something superb it's a dead cert Croatia win. Zagreb for 2025?

And why do stupid BBC bosses give the commenting (and sometimes performing) duties to queens? Wogan and Bruce, both straight, were far funnier, wittier and less camp. Just because Eurovision is loved by queens (who always had greater taste and more disposable income) - most viewers and listeners are straight and they make far wittier, less gay points.

I think Olly's performance is dreadful and just the kind of thing to give our sense of humour a bad name. Mind you the German entry is even worse.

The thinking goes as follows - since Eurovision is adored by gays, let's make everything as outrageous as possible. Commentators love everything and squeal with delight the camper it is. Instead of finding a hit song (Just A Little Bit) and a great performer (Katrina).

18,000 views to this thread so far and we're only a third of the way through. Great that the BBC have finally woken up to see Eurovision is popular and put the semis on BBC1 instead of burying them away on BBC4.

Semi 2 and Switzerland, the only betting rival to Croatia, is another nothing song performed by someone who looks like Mika (remember him) crossed with Olly Alexander. So far nothing to compete with Croatia. And Scott and Rylan, who I quite like as a DJ, are giving the usual camp crap commentary. God spare us from queens at Eurovision. It's like John Inman and Larry Grayson. To followed Saturday by Kenneth Williams - ooh no matron, Norton.

So Friday morning it looks like Zagreb 2025 - since I've never been there, looking forward to it.

This is the first time I have ever wished bottom place and nil points on a UK entry.

There is little to commend it. Yet again the BBC stitched this up and should be ashamed of themselves foisting this on us. The visuals, the vocal, just the whole thing. How about actually sending something the WHOLE country could relate to and support.

Did they learn nothing from the actual success of Sam Ryder, who appealed to my elderly parents and kids equally, and guess what, actually came second and had a massive hit too.

robbiex wrote:
Not only that, but all our winners have been at least 50% female. Either a female solo singer or a group with 50% females. You could say that Katrina & the Waves have more male members, but its essentially Katrina with some session musicians. I remember Belle & the Devotions, they had a very good track. I think it was accused of copying a motown track. One of my favourites was Bardo with "One step further"

My favourites this year are Luxembourg and Cyprus, but essentially not a decent tune among the lot.


If you look at the Bardo performance of One Step Further at Harrogate back in 1982 it almost looks like it's being performed in someone's front room to themselves in comparison to the set up now. I remember watching it then but looking back again now at it I was shocked how basic it seemed to look for 1982. It was a great entry that, well produced instantly memorable and did the business in the charts too.

youtu.be/MSAoeFYipxc?si=zsa3DDNtgjhXlgK6

The BBC only care about box ticking. If Olly was a straight man, and be very pedestrian like The Cars live. The Beeb would of passed him by, even if the song remained the same.

Kevin wrote:
This is the first time I have ever wished bottom place and nil points on a UK entry.

There is little to commend it. Yet again the BBC stitched this up and should be ashamed of themselves foisting this on us. The visuals, the vocal, just the whole thing. How about actually sending something the WHOLE country could relate to and support.

Did they learn nothing from the actual success of Sam Ryder, who appealed to my elderly parents and kids equally, and guess what, actually came second and had a massive hit too.

I'm pleased you got your wish with the viewing audience awarding the UK entry nil points, the only country to get that.

The thing about this is that it was all so horribly predictable really, yet again. I thought we had finally turned a page two years ago but it seems not. We cannot hide behind lazy arguments that the rest of Europe hates us and won't vote for us or we don't have the right alliances to garner votes. If so, how did we grab second in 2022, and without the Ukraine war a likely win.

It's high time that the BBC had no part to play in the choice of our UK entry and it needs to be taken out of their hands. We are now regularly getting beaten by the likes of Armenia for pity's sake - the nation that gave some of the best pop music, the biggest and most enduring classic songs and biggest stars to the whole world, not just Europe.

Certainly the whole song (and artist) selection procedure needs sorting.

The song was exceptionally poor. But the staging can't be ignored either.

I don't want to see men performing simulated gay sex acts on stage, and Eurovision is a totally inappropriate platform to be doing this.

I'm a gay man by the way and most of us don't appear like these dreadful stereotypes of what your everyday gay men are like.

There's a really delusional piece on the BBC this morning, do they really need to ask this question? The answers are obvious to anyone half sentient, male, female, gay, straight, young or old.

BBC NEWS: What does the UK have to do to win?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxx8z05058eo

JK2006 wrote:
Awful; not a real song; could get NUL Points. And the concentration camp video is horrid.

Congratulations on getting this correct in terms of the general public.

Public - 0 points. Juries - 46 points.

How can these juries be at such odds with the public? The public got this one spot on.

LiaminOz wrote:
Certainly the whole song (and artist) selection procedure needs sorting.
+1