I noticed this in Cliff Richard's eyes - likewise in the mighty brave Eddie Gilfoyle's eyes - and at the Sue Alison Saunders gathering - when I was in prison I helped many broken souls get their lives back together again, sometimes gaining them appeals granted, sometimes solving prison rules breached, sometimes relationships with wives or children.

It dawned on me that was probably why, as I left Maidstone, 105 of the 130 inmates on my wing came to my cell to hug me, thank me and say farewell.

The system breaks souls. Especially the innocent but equally the totally guilty; there seems to be no forgiveness or salvation these days.

Much though I like the current Pope, I find it frightening that he describes bent priests as CaCa. I thought Jesus, if he existed, which I doubt, urged forgiveness, even for the worst sinners (and some would consider someone giving willing teenagers a wank as far less bad than a serial killer).

So that appears to be my skill - mending broken souls.

A wrongful conviction does not mean death. Neither does a correct conviction.

There is still life to be lead, people to love, challenges to be met.

I feel we've all been given a lifeline thanks to young Liam Allan. His determination to build a life has been impressive. But even more so - his determination to mend the broken system.

For one so young to lead the crusade to correct this devastating situation is remarkable. And he really is getting attention. I have huge hope for 2019 - he is having a meeting in the Commons and a massive (we hope) demonstration in the summer.

And with luck many will attend who have managed to mend their broken souls so I will see hope and happiness in those eyes that currently express misery.

JK2006 wrote:
I noticed this in Cliff Richard's eyes - likewise in the mighty brave Eddie Gilfoyle's eyes - and at the Sue Alison Saunders gathering - when I was in prison I helped many broken souls get their lives back together again, sometimes gaining them appeals granted, sometimes solving prison rules breached, sometimes relationships with wives or children.

It dawned on me that was probably why, as I left Maidstone, 105 of the 130 inmates on my wing came to my cell to hug me, thank me and say farewell.

The system breaks souls. Especially the innocent but equally the totally guilty; there seems to be no forgiveness or salvation these days.

Much though I like the current Pope, I find it frightening that he describes bent priests as CaCa. I thought Jesus, if he existed, which I doubt, urged forgiveness, even for the worst sinners (and some would consider someone giving willing teenagers a wank as far less bad than a serial killer).

So that appears to be my skill - mending broken souls.

A wrongful conviction does not mean death. Neither does a correct conviction.

There is still life to be lead, people to love, challenges to be met.

I feel we've all been given a lifeline thanks to young Liam Allan. His determination to build a life has been impressive. But even more so - his determination to mend the broken system.

For one so young to lead the crusade to correct this devastating situation is remarkable. And he really is getting attention. I have huge hope for 2019 - he is having a meeting in the Commons and a massive (we hope) demonstration in the summer.

And with luck many will attend who have managed to mend their broken souls so I will see hope and happiness in those eyes that currently express misery.

The pope is wrong.
Whatever someone has done, the crime is only a small part of the whole person, and to condemn them entirely is not Christian.
Unkindness never helps in the long run.

Cliff's eyes say it all; let's hope I can help mend his broken soul.

JK2006 wrote:
Cliff's eyes say it all; let's hope I can help mend his broken soul.

Do you know him?

I hope he realises that an awful lot of people are behind him, but being falsely accused will take time to adjust to, especially when morons choose to believe the accusations.

He's a lovely, very genuine and decent man; illustrating the very best in the Christian religion (we've disagreed publicly about religion and he's agreed to represent me in Heaven if I'm wrong!).
But you're wrong about the morons Honey. We all tend to believe the news and find it hard to accept that some is fake and almost all is exaggerated.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
The pope is wrong.
Whatever someone has done, the crime is only a small part of the whole person, and to condemn them entirely is not Christian.
Unkindness never helps in the long run.

Somewhat simplistic Honey.

Crimes such as the sexual abuse of children by those, such as priests, in loco parentis - fall outside the pale.

Even for the current Pope - although his predecessors had condoned a strategy of blanket denial, of abuse by clergy.

Francis is adopting a hard and rigid approach to these paedophiles in the Catholic church - giving them nowhere to hide, after ruining the lives of so many innocents.

Dozens of US dioceses are now outing their own employees, with Federal investigations ongoing all over. Cardinals are being fired, and will soon be prosecuted.


However - after due process - I suppose that forgiveness may be possible in some cases.

Following repentance etc. - and the same punishments meted out to all similar abusers of the vulnerable.

Their (the vulnerable children) only sin was to trust their priests, teachers and guardians.

And many abusers joined the church, simply to take advantage of a seriously flawed regime - of not wanting to know...

You are quite entitled to regard some crimes as beyond the pale Barney; as are we to consider lack of forgiveness to be beyond the pale. Ruining people's lives is indeed a terrible crime, whatever the reasons may be - although some (like condemning people to eternal damnation) may not be as obvious a crime as others. Simplicity Rools OK.

Barney wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
The pope is wrong.
Whatever someone has done, the crime is only a small part of the whole person, and to condemn them entirely is not Christian.
Unkindness never helps in the long run.

Somewhat simplistic Honey.

Crimes such as the sexual abuse of children by those, such as priests, in loco parentis - fall outside the pale.

Even for the current Pope - although his predecessors had condoned a strategy of blanket denial, of abuse by clergy.

Francis is adopting a hard and rigid approach to these paedophiles in the Catholic church - giving them nowhere to hide, after ruining the lives of so many innocents.

Dozens of US dioceses are now outing their own employees, with Federal investigations ongoing all over. Cardinals are being fired, and will soon be prosecuted.


However - after due process - I suppose that forgiveness may be possible in some cases.

Following repentance etc. - and the same punishments meted out to all similar abusers of the vulnerable.

Their (the vulnerable children) only sin was to trust their priests, teachers and guardians.

And many abusers joined the church, simply to take advantage of a seriously flawed regime - of not wanting to know...





You can bring people to justice and still be kind to them.
it isn't one or the other.

Cliff (photographed by my friend Allan Warren) check out his eyes then.

JK2006 wrote:
You are quite entitled to regard some crimes as beyond the pale Barney; as are we to consider lack of forgiveness to be beyond the pale. Ruining people's lives is indeed a terrible crime, whatever the reasons may be - although some (like condemning people to eternal damnation) may not be as obvious a crime as others. Simplicity Rools OK.

I did type that forgiveness may be possible - after all, Jesus Christ gave it from his cross. But, in my opinion, it comes well behind/after other necessary occurrences.

Such as repentance, punishment, retribution, apologies etc. The bible, I think, says something similar - and that no man is irredeemable.

However, some may disagree in the cases of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Agusto Pinochet - who all murdered millions.


Were their mass atrocities not outside the pale?

Is is even possible to forgive someone who isn't sorry for - and doesn't remotely regret - the abhorrent crime(s) they committed?

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
You can bring people to justice and still be kind to them

Many at Long Lartin, and in similar places, would disagree...

Barney please stop abusing the English language like a typical feminist. Catch phrases like "sexual abuse of children" is such an unsophisticated, deliberately inaccurate use of language. If you are referring to priests having sexual relationships with children below the arbitrary age of 18 then say that. And when you do say that, then my response is: That's a crime beyond the pale!? Are you kidding me? Not only that, but you start comparing men who fuck young people with Hitler. Dude, seriously? WHAT THE FUCK (!!!)

Anyway, my personal suspicion is that the whole "paedophile catholic priest" thing is protestants hating on catholics, who are also then joined by secular feminists who always love to lock up some blokes for rape and get the chance to bash religion while they're at it. What more could you want!? Unfortunately, the catholic church are too cucked to realise what is happening, so they are just falling on their own sword. Instead, they should be pointing out that in the Bible God banged a 13 year old girl (Virgin Mary) and made her pregnant (or at least that's the most famous instance of paedophilia in the Bible). I believe there are more, but I don't remember off the top of my head.

holocaust21 wrote:
in the Bible God banged a 13 year old girl (Virgin Mary) and made her pregnant (or at least that's the most famous instance of paedophilia in the Bible). I believe there are more, but I don't remember off the top of my head

Your interpretations are, at least, bizarre and unusual...

As they say, the eyes are the gateway to the soul. The last few years have seriously aged Cliff. That's the biggest disgrace. Those involved can walk away as if nothing has happened, without a care regarding the damage they have caused.

And there will be many more Cliff's - and - far worse - the hundreds of innocent souls currently locked up for crimes that never took place. Whilst false accusers cash their compensation cheques, rubbing their hands with glee, and bent lawyers chalk up profits from ripping off charities by stealing the donations left in wills and bent cops chortle as promotions are given for convicting innocent priests, teachers, doctors and sports coaches.

Oh, what fun! #MeToo please.

I'm trying to find some snaps I took of Cliff here in Sydney a few years ago at Elizabeth Bay House..with Olivia Newton John. I can't even remember what it was for..a promotion but with only about 20 of us.

It was the second time I've met Cliff and had a chance to have a 5 minute chat with him.

I've never been proved wrong yet on first impressions ...Cliff comes across as the real deal..a genuinely lovely person with a really nice aura.

I hope he's maybe able to look at what's happened as some sort of test of his Christian faith..which he survived. I know many on her are probably atheists..not mentioning any names (although he initials JK come to mind)..but I reckon Cliff is very genuine in his religious beliefs.

I cannot imagine he would harm a fly lat alone a person. I think that's reflected in the millions of fans he has who obviously love him.

Hedda - do you know what's happening in the George Pell trial(s)?

All very quiet on this side of the world - including Rome.

Can't see anything coming out of Australia either!

Barney wrote:
Hedda - do you know what's happening in the George Pell trial(s)?

All very quiet on this side of the world - including Rome.

Can't see anything coming out of Australia either!





nothing will happen until the second half of 2019 as each charge (the "worst' were thrown out as either improbable or impossible) is to be tried separately. The current charges are more "minor" (such as allegedly groping a boy in the 70's while tossing him in the air in a pool when he was hosting a group of boys at a swimming pool). The problem for Pell is a couple of his defence witnesses are in their 80s.

However..the Prosecution asked for a complete ban on reporting, allegedly after a court official was found to be trying to sell confidential court documents about the trial to Italian newspapers...and for other reasons not stated and this was granted so there will be no reporting at all even when the trials happen.


There's been some woeful and highly inaccurate reporting by "serious" newspapers & TV stations such as claiming Pell was being sacked from his Vatican position when he fact he had to retire because of age and had no choice.

It's said the Prosecution were so worried about inflammatory reports..I've seen really dodgy prejudicial claims on Twitter etc by well known journalists who should know better and were appalling in the way they were so sure he is guilty of something seemingly because they hate his extreme conservative outlook..that they wanted the delay for all the clamour to die down.

I have a funny feeling ..not wishing it..he may not live til then. He has a very dodgy ticker.

Barney,

Your interpretations are, at least, bizarre and unusual...

Look, whether God got out his metaphysical dick and banged Mary or whether she was "truly" a virgin who magically got impregnated by God is beside the point. The point is God made an innocent 13 year old girl pregnant. A girl for whom, "being pregnant at that age would likely result in all kinds of horrible risks" (according to so-called feminist "science").

Another more explicit reference to paedophilia in the bible is discussed here: discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/14/bible-...e-times-paedophilia/

Isaac married Rebecca when she was just THREE YEARS OLD and they BANGED like anything!

So I'm afraid your views are invalidated and my pro-paedophilia views are correct: Paedophilia is a recent term that has arisen as a consequence of feminist man-hating which seeks to pathologise normal male sexuality. All major religions are supportive of paedophilia in their texts: Christianity, Islam, Judaism.

holocaust21 wrote:
Barney,

Your interpretations are, at least, bizarre and unusual...

Look, whether God got out his metaphysical dick and banged Mary or whether she was "truly" a virgin who magically got impregnated by God is beside the point. The point is God made an innocent 13 year old girl pregnant. A girl for whom, "being pregnant at that age would likely result in all kinds of horrible risks" (according to so-called feminist "science").

Another more explicit reference to paedophilia in the bible is discussed here: discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/14/bible-...e-times-paedophilia/

Isaac married Rebecca when she was just THREE YEARS OLD and they BANGED like anything!

So I'm afraid your views are invalidated and my pro-paedophilia views are correct: Paedophilia is a recent term that has arisen as a consequence of feminist man-hating which seeks to pathologise normal male sexuality. All major religions are supportive of paedophilia in their texts: Christianity, Islam, Judaism.

FAKE NEWS I can not find any age noted re Mary and as to Rebecca and noted birth only in a list of children that had been born no ages or birth dates. So like most historical allegations stories abound but facts are in many cases unattainable. Thus opportunity for the FAKE NEWS media and so on. Also this paedophilia age thingy is a modern UK obsession as no doubt you are aware that older times, cultures and countries all need to be taken into account when ages of consent are considered. What is shown that most of the human race consider that we need protecting more so at a younger age including ourselves. We need guidance and rules but they should be set practically and administered sensibly (Not UK style)

The New Testament of the Bible is suppose to be what the christian churches and people accept as the way to think and live and as JK noted mending broken souls is at the heart of the christian message. That includes listening to all the facts. The Catholic church should listen to complainants but also a christian practice is to have consideration to all people thus to condemn thousands of priests "out of hand" as is now happening in such a manner is not christian at all.

The media we know is hungry for any paedophilia stories and in general "rightly so" as the fear of all parents is the worst cases that do happen. But what I have noticed "in current time" that real evil cases that do arise are far and few indeed. That is the only reliable evidence of what the extend of the problem is and not the historical cases as not way to tell fact from fiction.

Finally, some countries are working at mending broken souls and rehabilitating criminals and need looking at as I gather it makes for a better society all round and individuals should also take a good hard look at themselves and if honest will find they have the seeds of possible criminality or not been so good as the self deception believes of oneself. That is also part of the christian message to be aware of one's own weaknesses and not so quick to condemn others while at the same time standing up to wrong doing.