robbiex wrote:
Barney wrote:
Robbiex wrote:
It isn't a criminal record, just breaking council rules, like getting a parking fine. It is only a criminal offence if you fail to pay fines. Also it isn't theft from the car park owners, as you have paid for the parking, like buying a cake and giving half of it away. I don't think you will find many supporters in this Barney, outside those greedy car park owners, who don't even give you change if you don't have the correct money.



Parking tickets are non-transferable.




Yes, it may break the councils petty rules, but not the law. It is like not having a valid ticket, you can get a £40 fine. Morally I think you have the high ground, if you have paid for 4 hours parking, why shouldn't you give part of this time away, since you have paid for it. It would be very difficult to know if a parking ticket has been transferred to another person, on a car park where you don't enter your reg no and you pay by cash. I find it strange that people are so strict on minor parking offences when they think that serious sex offences are all just false allegations.

I don't think Barney has ever said anything like that about false allegations!

I understand Barney's point about the parking tickets, but I will continue to give my train and parking tickets away and blow the consequences.

It is a little bit more complicated where public toilets have money slots on each door (rarely now) and you hold the door open for the next person.

Yes - life's a bitich!

But buying a ticket to park a specific vehicle, on private property is subject to the terms and conditions displayed and stipulated

Like parking in designated spaces, non-transferablity of tickets, time periods etc.

Failure to comply - even through 'acts of kindness' contravenes the contract you entered into, when buying the ticket - which has a notation on it, such as:-

'issued subject to the terms and conditions displayed'

The conditions will also confirmation that the ticket remains the property of the issuer - so it's not yours to give away.

You may think it grossly unfair - but it's the law...

Honey wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Barney wrote:
Robbiex wrote:
It isn't a criminal record, just breaking council rules, like getting a parking fine. It is only a criminal offence if you fail to pay fines. Also it isn't theft from the car park owners, as you have paid for the parking, like buying a cake and giving half of it away. I don't think you will find many supporters in this Barney, outside those greedy car park owners, who don't even give you change if you don't have the correct money.



Parking tickets are non-transferable.




Yes, it may break the councils petty rules, but not the law. It is like not having a valid ticket, you can get a £40 fine. Morally I think you have the high ground, if you have paid for 4 hours parking, why shouldn't you give part of this time away, since you have paid for it. It would be very difficult to know if a parking ticket has been transferred to another person, on a car park where you don't enter your reg no and you pay by cash. I find it strange that people are so strict on minor parking offences when they think that serious sex offences are all just false allegations.

I don't think Barney has ever said anything like that about false allegations!

I understand Barney's point about the parking tickets, but I will continue to give my train and parking tickets away and blow the consequences.

It is a little bit more complicated where public toilets have money slots on each door (rarely now) and you hold the door open for the next person.

I believe that you can no longer charge people to use toilets in train stations for health and safety reasons.

With regards to the transferring of parking tickets, I'm going to continue, although I rarely pay for more than I need, but if someone specifically asks for my ticket, then I think that this is a bit cheeky and refuse.

robbiex wrote:
Honey wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Barney wrote:
Robbiex wrote:
It isn't a criminal record, just breaking council rules, like getting a parking fine. It is only a criminal offence if you fail to pay fines. Also it isn't theft from the car park owners, as you have paid for the parking, like buying a cake and giving half of it away. I don't think you will find many supporters in this Barney, outside those greedy car park owners, who don't even give you change if you don't have the correct money.



Parking tickets are non-transferable.




Yes, it may break the councils petty rules, but not the law. It is like not having a valid ticket, you can get a £40 fine. Morally I think you have the high ground, if you have paid for 4 hours parking, why shouldn't you give part of this time away, since you have paid for it. It would be very difficult to know if a parking ticket has been transferred to another person, on a car park where you don't enter your reg no and you pay by cash. I find it strange that people are so strict on minor parking offences when they think that serious sex offences are all just false allegations.

I don't think Barney has ever said anything like that about false allegations!

I understand Barney's point about the parking tickets, but I will continue to give my train and parking tickets away and blow the consequences.

It is a little bit more complicated where public toilets have money slots on each door (rarely now) and you hold the door open for the next person.

I believe that you can no longer charge people to use toilets in train stations for health and safety reasons.

With regards to the transferring of parking tickets, I'm going to continue, although I rarely pay for more than I need, but if someone specifically asks for my ticket, then I think that this is a bit cheeky and refuse.

Gosh yes, I would refuse too, although I have never come across it.

I have refused people with one item INSISTING on going first at the check-out though. (Although I offer, of course)

Lime Street Station in Liverpool have annoying paid turnstiles at the entrance to the toilets.
Possibly because of me holding the door open for people.

Honey wrote:
I would refuse too, although I have never come across it


Neither have I.

How would anyone know the time left on your ticket?


It could be 38 seconds....

Honey wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Honey wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Barney wrote:
Robbiex wrote:
It isn't a criminal record, just breaking council rules, like getting a parking fine. It is only a criminal offence if you fail to pay fines. Also it isn't theft from the car park owners, as you have paid for the parking, like buying a cake and giving half of it away. I don't think you will find many supporters in this Barney, outside those greedy car park owners, who don't even give you change if you don't have the correct money.



Parking tickets are non-transferable.




Yes, it may break the councils petty rules, but not the law. It is like not having a valid ticket, you can get a £40 fine. Morally I think you have the high ground, if you have paid for 4 hours parking, why shouldn't you give part of this time away, since you have paid for it. It would be very difficult to know if a parking ticket has been transferred to another person, on a car park where you don't enter your reg no and you pay by cash. I find it strange that people are so strict on minor parking offences when they think that serious sex offences are all just false allegations.

I don't think Barney has ever said anything like that about false allegations!

I understand Barney's point about the parking tickets, but I will continue to give my train and parking tickets away and blow the consequences.

It is a little bit more complicated where public toilets have money slots on each door (rarely now) and you hold the door open for the next person.

I believe that you can no longer charge people to use toilets in train stations for health and safety reasons.

With regards to the transferring of parking tickets, I'm going to continue, although I rarely pay for more than I need, but if someone specifically asks for my ticket, then I think that this is a bit cheeky and refuse.

Gosh yes, I would refuse too, although I have never come across it.

I have refused people with one item INSISTING on going first at the check-out though. (Although I offer, of course)

Lime Street Station in Liverpool have annoying paid turnstiles at the entrance to the toilets.
Possibly because of me holding the door open for people.


I did have someone ask me for my ticket, however it was a sunday and there was no charge anyway. I thought it was a bit cheeky someone knocking on the window scrounging my ticket off me. Do they still charge to use toilets at Liverpool Lime Street. In Euston, Waterloo, and Guildford they have removed payment turnstiles in the last few months. I thought that it was a national policy, but maybe not.

Only for those stations run by Network Rail.

Barney wrote:
Honey wrote:
I would refuse too, although I have never come across it


Neither have I.

How would anyone know the time left on your ticket?


It could be 38 seconds....




Many car parks have an all day charge, particularly on a sunday.

There is no earthly reason why parking should not be transferrable. You have after all already paid for the privilege of using the space. The car park owner suffers no material loss from that space being occupied for this period, irrespective of who does it.

No, it is made that way so they can profiteer, be paid twice for the same piece of real estate. It is contemptible and immoral. I don't care what their "terms and conditions" say. I hand over my tickets to other people as a good citizen, as a compassionate person and as my way of spreading a small amount of joy in the world.

In Theatres, Premier League, Public Transport, Entertainment Events - and so many others

Non-transferability is just as important for parking and so many other facilities.

Go in if agree to the 'rules' -
if you find them repulsive, don't denigrate without alternatives!

There were many making money - from ticket scams.

Fewer now.

Cyber access is already here though. Even parking..

Barney wrote:
In Theatres, Premier League, Public Transport, Entertainment Events - and so many others

Non-transferability is just as important for parking and so many other facilities.

Go in if agree to the 'rules' -
if you find them repulsive, don't denigrate without alternatives!

There were many making money - from ticket scams.

Fewer now.

Cyber access is already here though. Even parking..





Non-transferability in parking tickets is not as important in parking as other situations. There isn't a situation in car parks where people buy parking tickets and sell them at inflated prices. We are talking about a situation where people are given away their parking time that they haven't used, not re-selling them. You don't get touts hanging around car parks shouting "Car park tickets - buy or sell".
Passing your parking tickets is against the car park rules (not criminal law), but most sensible people think that it is morally right.

Non-transferability is for a variety of reasons. In car parks - to curtail income loss; in football grounds - to ensure segregation; in private events - for entry authority.

CCTV will often link the ticket to a specific vehicle, in a car park - under a security/monitoring system. And gifting will obviously negate this.

It's better to abide by the issuers' terms - as the ticket immediately becomes invalid for the recipient, who becomes liable for penalties; as does the beneficiary.

Barney wrote:
Non-transferability is for a variety of reasons. In car parks - to curtail income loss; in football grounds - to ensure segregation; in private events - for entry authority.

CCTV will often link the ticket to a specific vehicle, in a car park - under a security/monitoring system. And gifting will obviously negate this.

It's better to abide by the issuers' terms - as the ticket immediately becomes invalid for the recipient, who becomes liable for penalties; as does the beneficiary.




You are right, Barney, it might be against the rules, and the car park bandits owners do have the right to charge what they like, but sometimes you have to obey your own morals rather than rules.

Local Authorities have a the major say on car parking charges.

The LA's will take the hand off - those interested in providing municipal parking.

Often on derelict, polluted and diseased land - which had to be reconstituted - before public usage.

NCP (two brothers) took more bombs out of central London than anyone.


Don't blame the owner for not being recompensed for their - often precarious investment.

Or protecting it - by some very reasonable stipulations - like 'please remember it's our ticket'.....

If a car park investment in a world where people are fighting for parking spaces fails it is their own stupid fault.