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TOPIC: Jon Venables
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Re:Jon Venables 14 Years, 2 Months ago
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I'm not against punishment as a deterrent but I'm in favour of decency, kindness and trying to help people. I was in prison with some truly dreadful people, many of whom just needed another human being to talk to them and, more important, to listen to them. To me, Tony Blair is a far, far worse criminal than Jon Venables but he had the good sense to be older, richer, more intelligent and bright enough to get other people (paid by us) to do the killing for him. As far as the murder of Iraquis is concerned, we're all far worse than Jon Venables.
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Re:Jon Venables 14 Years, 2 Months ago
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Carl wrote:
James Bulger was also someones child and a victim of having his skull smashed open and his body cut into two pieces on a railway line.
It's not about vengeance, its about justice, Venables had a choice, he did not have to abduct a child from a shopping centre and murder him, he chose to do it, James Bulger was the innocent victim who had no choice in what happened to him.
When someone committs a crime of that magnitude they forfeit their human rights in my opinion.
You miss the point entirely Carl. No-one is disputing the severity of the suffering inflicted upon Jamie Bulger, and isn't it odd that some people only care about Bulger after Venables hits the headlines again? This, as has been said, is about the public's frenzy regarding high profile cases, the tabloid whipping up of anger and a sense of injustice...injustice which has never existed save for those whom have an appetite for bloody and savage murderous revenge based purely on the strength of saturation media coverage.
Whilst I sympathise with Bulger's mother I also feel she is foolish in not conveying some forgiveness toward her son's killers, given their age etc' but she is simply paying lip service toward a tabloid press who as JK illustrates demand sensationalist and horrific attention seeking headlines.
Hindley is another example. A young woman who tried to better herself in prison, regretted her past with Brady, had served her time, but died in prison purely because of political decision making on the back of her being a notorious tabloid media 'monster'.
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Re:Jon Venables 14 Years, 2 Months ago
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Angel, you are spot on.
Chris Retro, the reason they are miserable for the rest of their sorry lives may have something to do with the fact that someone has sexually abused and killed their children.
I assume you have no children like many of the other people who post on this board banging on about human rights for criminals and forgiveness.
I'm all for forgiveness but some people ie paedophiles, child killers etc are beyond redemption.
It's ok saying lets show them compassion and forgiveness but imagine if it was a member of YOUR family who was the victim, I'm sure you would change your tune slightly then.
In my opinion when someone goes out and intentionally kills another person and it is premeditated they should be jailed for the rest of their natural lives, if they serve 25, 30 years they can come out and get on with their life, the dead person can't do that, they are gone forever.
America has the right idea, life without parole for such crimes, this country has gone mad, you get longer in prison for fraud or robbing a bank than you do for manslaughter or abusing a child.
Too many do gooders i'm afraid more interested in the criminals while the victims and their families get brushed aside.
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Re:Jon Venables 14 Years, 2 Months ago
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Well put. We are supposed to whoop, holler, scream and shout, label people "evil" at the drop of a hat - All in the name of "love". We choose never to see those we target as someone's child, we just see them as pieces of meat. It's something that has always struck me a dreadful trait, be it the idiots trying to stone Venables, Gary Glitter, JK or whoever else the tabloids paint as "sick" or "evil", or wankers you meet in general life who would stab anyone in the back to score their own meaningless brownie points for the sake of their own ego/"career".
As for having children, well I wouldn't want to bring a child up in 21st Century Britain - it's inhumane and extremely selfish. I would love kids - but never in this environment. I'd like my children to grow up somewhere they can be alloweed to be children as I did, where their innocence isn't pummelled out of them by ridiculous government initiatives & commerciality (babies should be born with bar codes on their heads, let's face it) and where they won't be brainwashed and bovine by the time they reach puberty.
JK2006 wrote:
And what about Jon Venables' Mummy and Daddy? Or should you only love your children if they are well behaved? Does being a parent mean you must only love certain children? I find this line of thinking reprehensible. To me it's just an excuse for hating.
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