Chris Retro wrote:
Icke has summed it up very well....



No, he hasn't.

Prunella Minge wrote:
This thread reminds me of 6th formers who've just discovered relativism and are delighting in the sense of freedom to sneer at all and sundry without ever forming a considered judgment. It won't be long before Boy George pops up to sing his War song, and Jagger informs us that we are all responsible for killing the Kennedys.

ahhh we're all still schoolboys at heart. I think it's time for a revival of George's Karma Kamelian..loved it.

Sir Mick Jagger too rich to sing anti-war songs now. He's the establishment.

So then Pru, you really believe this story?

Wow, that's some imagination you have!

How did the USA Navy Seals fail to capture Bin Laden alive with all that firepower available? Unless they planned it that way?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but reckon the truth usually fits somewhere between both extremes; for example, I cannot see how the two airplanes made both twin towers fall in exactly the same way but I don't think there could have been a conspiracy without something leaking.

Likewise; Bin Laden is probably dead but it could have been ages ago or it could have been in a different way. Something smells.

The Fat Controller wrote:
Not convinced at all with the image of his dead body. Not wanting to do a BR...but something is afoot. And why have they 'buried him at sea'? So quickly? Shouldn't there have been some kind of forensic examination and dna testing to make certain they'd got the right man? How do they know he wasn't just a lookalike? A stooge? Not convinced at all by any of this.

First Bin Laden hid behind a woman ... then he didn't (in fact she was shot in the leg when she approached one of the Americans).

Then there was a fire-fight ... then there wasn't (in fact everyone was unarmed).

Then Obama watched it all on live video - and now he didn't !!!!
Latest version said there was a 25 min blackout during the actual operation !!!!

Then he is hurredly "buried at sea" - the sea is rather along way from either Abbotabad, or the Yankers base at Kabul !!!
Has he actually been buried at all ?

Which version is true ... the first ... or the latest ... the next one ... the one after that ?

Or any of them ???

angel wrote:
Crowd's cheering another humans death. Where's the forgiveness? Christian hypocrisy at its blatant best.

God Bless America !

(is that why he keeps sending them so many tornados?)

There's something very uneasy about the jubilant crowds in New York and elsewhere.

No one can deny the emotions of the survivors/bereaved of 9/11 this past week, and I would never want to do so. But I feel that in all the debates that have been happening something has been ignored.... an elephant in the room:


I think we can all agree that Osama Bin Laden was almost certainly responsible for several thousand US and other deaths. I don't think anyone could reasonably deny that terrible truth.

but

The US has consistently supported and armed repressive regimes for decades, regimes who murder their own people, because it suits America's needs, with little concern for ordinary people. The US has also conducted attrocities such as the carpet bombing of Cambodia and I don't think anyone could deny that either.


So logically- if going in and killing Bin Laden was legal and just, then couldn't people from other countries take that example and say that it would have been right to attack the US and execute Henry Kissinger or George W Bush, who they could say are both war criminals who have killed thousands of innocent civilians in their countries?


Whatever the rights and wrongs, I can't help feeling that a dangerous precedent is being set.

War begets war, violence begets violence. The cycle has to be broken.

Very funny how Fry and his fans happily quote Martin Luther King about this...until they all realise some teenager made it up. What pathetic creeps they are.

Disagree - who cares who said it; it's true.