Never met her, but once had a drink with her associate Mandy Rice-Davies ! (don't tell Mrs ITK)

Fascinating looking at all the photos of her in the 60s; many taken in Cannes at exactly the point I have visited yearly ever since.

A lady I worked with as a ten used to tell everyone I had "Cheekbones like Christine Keeler!" Being compared to a prostitute, however beautiful, is not the sort of thing you want at fourteen when you are on stage in a working mans club.

I'm not sure I'd consider being compared to a prostitute would strike me as an insult; in fact I'd definitely consider it a compliment if he/she was a gorgeous as Christine was! Wasn't Alain Delon once a rent boy? And there were rumours about Tony Curtis. In my life I've done far worse than prostitution and, indeed, have not only sold my body but my soul to millions in my 73 years.

JK2006 wrote:
I'm not sure I'd consider being compared to a prostitute would strike me as an insult; in fact I'd definitely consider it a compliment if he/she was a gorgeous as Christine was! Wasn't Alain Delon once a rent boy? And there were rumours about Tony Curtis. In my life I've done far worse than prostitution and, indeed, have not only sold my body but my soul to millions in my 73 years.

Oh I fully agree. Now. But not in 1974.
Selling what belongs to you is far better morally in my eyes that shoplifting or fraud, which nobody seems to mind much.

Another odd thing about prostitution I dont understand is, If you coerce or blackmail someone into having sex with you it is rape.
(legally)
This includes physical threats, and threats to withdraw money or affection.

So how come if a prostitute does it because they are being trafficked or have no money to feed their children, or are addicted to drugs etc which takes away their choice, are they not being raped?
Why dont they get the same protection as everyone else?

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

Why dont they get the same protection as everyone else?

They do - but once you say "yes" or agree a price, it cannot be rape, can it?
(you have consented - for the money)

JK2006 wrote:
I'm not sure I'd consider being compared to a prostitute would strike me as an insult; in fact I'd definitely consider it a compliment if he/she was a gorgeous as Christine was! Wasn't Alain Delon once a rent boy? And there were rumours about Tony Curtis. In my life I've done far worse than prostitution and, indeed, have not only sold my body but my soul to millions in my 73 years.

A certain VERY well-known British actor and celeb once wrote a fictional book about a rent boy, which some said was partially autobiographical.

I feel now like Christine Keeler
Sleepwalking in the rain
I didn't mean to lose direction
I didn't want that kind of fame

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

Why dont they get the same protection as everyone else?

They do - but once you say "yes" or agree a price, it cannot be rape, can it?
(you have consented - for the money)



I am not sure, ITK. I thought the same as you, but Section 74 defines consent as "if she agrees by choice, and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice" .

Some prostitutes dont have the freedom and capacity to make the choice, and the clients know it, so in this case, is it rape?
Bearing in mind that those assisting a rape are also charged with rape..

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

Why dont they get the same protection as everyone else?

They do - but once you say "yes" or agree a price, it cannot be rape, can it?
(you have consented - for the money)



I am not sure, ITK. I thought the same as you, but Section 74 defines consent as "if she agrees by choice, and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice" .

Some prostitutes dont have the freedom and capacity to make the choice, and the clients know it, so in this case, is it rape?
Bearing in mind that those assisting a rape are also charged with rape..


Well, it is fact a crime to have sex with a prostitute who has been trafficked (even if you didn't know), which seems crazy. If you are going to go down that road, then you could argue that if you give money to a young homeless person, you could be charged with funding drug use, as it is usually the case that that they want the money to fund their next hit (watch druglands on bbc iplayer), or if you get your nails done at the local nail bar, then you are encouraging trafficking (Many are trafficked to work at these places). Apart from those trafficked, there is always another option to prostitution (like getting a job), however they choose prostitution because it is quick and easy money, you can't go blaming the customer.

Once the punter asks "how much" and in reply he is given a shopping list how can the punter know that it is not being voluntarily offered?

In The Know wrote:
Once the punter asks "how much" and in reply he is given a shopping list how can the punter know that it is not being voluntarily offered?


A lot of the issues around consent rely on you being a mind reader or breathalysing your intended partner.

robbiex wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

Why dont they get the same protection as everyone else?

They do - but once you say "yes" or agree a price, it cannot be rape, can it?
(you have consented - for the money)



I am not sure, ITK. I thought the same as you, but Section 74 defines consent as "if she agrees by choice, and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice" .

Some prostitutes dont have the freedom and capacity to make the choice, and the clients know it, so in this case, is it rape?
Bearing in mind that those assisting a rape are also charged with rape..


Well, it is fact a crime to have sex with a prostitute who has been trafficked (even if you didn't know), which seems crazy. If you are going to go down that road, then you could argue that if you give money to a young homeless person, you could be charged with funding drug use, as it is usually the case that that they want the money to fund their next hit (watch druglands on bbc iplayer), or if you get your nails done at the local nail bar, then you are encouraging trafficking (Many are trafficked to work at these places). Apart from those trafficked, there is always another option to prostitution (like getting a job), however they choose prostitution because it is quick and easy money, you can't go blaming the customer.

You cant get a job if you are wanted by the police, or if you want to hide, and if you cant find a job.
I am sure there are plenty who choose it as a career and good luck to them, but the ones I come across are often forced into it by circumstance.

I didnt know about the nail bars, Robbie. I dont think I have ever even been in one, so thank you for recommending Druglands. It looks really good.