Jewish Labour MP 'feels unwelcome' after Corbyn comments

'As a British Jew it makes me feel unwelcome in my own party': Labour MP Luciana Berger attacks Corbyn for his 'inexcusable comments' after video shows him saying UK 'Zionists' have 'no sense of English irony'

"Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, said: 'This shows the reality of what Jeremy Corbyn thinks of Jews, somehow a breed apart from 'normal' English people.'

Pollard added that he believed the Labour leader 'used the word 'Zionist' obviously to mean 'Jews'.'

Jonathan Sacerdoti, who was a founding trustee of the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, and who is now an anti-racism campaigner, said: 'The idea that British Jews somehow haven't absorbed British values is outrageous.

'To doubt our Britishness because we disagree with your controversial views on Palestine, when you are the one fraternising with extremists, is deeply anti-Semitic. British Jews are right to be scared.'"

I was prepared to think Jeremy Corbyn was just a bit clueless and unfairly criticised by the right-wing press, but judging from the video clip in the Daily Mail article it really does look as if he considers Jews to be alien.

Jo wrote:


I was prepared to think Jeremy Corbyn was just a bit clueless and unfairly criticised by the right-wing press, but judging from the video clip in the Daily Mail article it really does look as if he considers Jews to be alien.



People like David Duke and Nick Griffin are now re-tweeting him, never a good look for any Labour leader, particularly a left wing one.

Jo wrote:
Jewish Labour MP 'feels unwelcome' after Corbyn comments

'As a British Jew it makes me feel unwelcome in my own party': Labour MP Luciana Berger attacks Corbyn for his 'inexcusable comments' after video shows him saying UK 'Zionists' have 'no sense of English irony'

"Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, said: 'This shows the reality of what Jeremy Corbyn thinks of Jews, somehow a breed apart from 'normal' English people.'

Pollard added that he believed the Labour leader 'used the word 'Zionist' obviously to mean 'Jews'.'

Jonathan Sacerdoti, who was a founding trustee of the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, and who is now an anti-racism campaigner, said: 'The idea that British Jews somehow haven't absorbed British values is outrageous.

'To doubt our Britishness because we disagree with your controversial views on Palestine, when you are the one fraternising with extremists, is deeply anti-Semitic. British Jews are right to be scared.'"

I was prepared to think Jeremy Corbyn was just a bit clueless and unfairly criticised by the right-wing press, but judging from the video clip in the Daily Mail article it really does look as if he considers Jews to be alien.

Have ago at Jeremy Corbyn for any good reason by all means, but this thing reported here raised by labour MP Luciana Berger is logically more a reflection on her been opportunistic and illogical with it. The subject matter was "Zionist". Thus she is inferring ALL jews are Zionists. It is the same logic inferring all Germans are Nazis. And I am not saying the two idealistic groups are the same at all just one should not use this logic. Zionists are made up of jewist people and may be many others. Some christians who are not ethically jewish may feel god has given the jewish ethnic people exclusive rights to the land in and around Israel. It is a fair comment. Radical groups do have in general a strong tendency to be dogmatic lacking almost any sense of fair play and humour.

I am informed that my family heritage may have some jewish links so I take a huge exception to be now told by this logic I am also a Zionist which I am not. I have no objection to the jewish people legally settling down in modern Israel after paying for land etc. And I think there are faults on both sides as is often the case. Unfortunately to try and campaign for workable solutions one is going to end sharing a platform from time to time with some characters from both the Zionists and Islamic fractions both of whom promote heartless, uncaring ideals. People who are dangerous to others.

Did someone mention "Fake News"?

I've watched the video- all of it which has been on YT for years.

Corbyn was talking about a bunch of angry self-admitted Zionists in the audience who mistook the words of an Ambassador and his reference was to those Zionists after they had words with Corbyn and not a sweeping comment about all Zionists in the UK.
Not that it mattered if he had meant all Zionists.

Jeremy Corbyn has never uttered a racist word in his life- that can be pinned down. This is the most desperate attempt to date.

There are 17 political parties with MPs in the Israeli Knesset. Zionism began,and still is a political movement. It's immaterial that Jews belong to Zionist political parties when roughly half of the Israelis don't belong to them.

Among some of their stated political policies are "Post Zionist", Pro-Zionist" "Anti-Zionist"etc. There are dozens of Israeli political parties with policies that are at the extreme opposite to each other including several Orthodox parties with 100,000s of members who are bitterly opposed to Zionism.

Zionism does not define Jewishness. It never has. It never will. It is insulting to say that it does even if some Jews try to make that claim just as many UKIP members try to claim they represent true Britishness.


Israelis are as divided over the political notion of Zionism as they are every other policy. You just never hear it because you either don't really give a stuff or just lap up the guff printed in Britain's tabloids.

As an example- if Jeremy Corbyn said "the Tories have no concept of how the average working class person survives" would he be insulting the entire British population because the Conservative Party members are all British?.

I'm actually bitterly disappointed with Britain's Jews because of their total silence as a collective over the very real antisemitism which is driving this false campaign and which is using Jews in a thoroughly disgraceful campaign to bash Corbyn.

For example: Rupert Murdoch's minions are the major drivers of this charade just as they claimed Corbyn was a "Red Spy".

Two weeks ago one of Rupert Murdoch's most beloved columnists published an outlandish page in all of Rupert's newspapers (90% of Australia's media) bashing immigrants and Jews claiming they form ghettos and in particular he laid into a Melbourne "Jewish ghetto".

The same week Murdoch's vast Cable TV network hosted a Hitler loving Nazi who claims all immigrants- including Jews- should be immediately deported from Australia and if they refuse to go (if he had his way) he would have them executed.

Did Rupert Murdoch, Britain and America's most powerful media baron express his horror at such outrages?. Did he in Hell- no he hosted a dinner this week for his head honcho News Corp apparatchiks with Mr."Melbourne Ghetto" at the top table.

Not a word, not a peep, not a single expression of horror about this from a single Britsh Jew, journalist, politician, media person. Nothing, zero, zilch, nada zip.
Not even the outspoken editor of the Jewish Chronicle Stephen Pollard who has ludicrously claimed Murdoch has "done so much for the British media".

In the meantime, while Ken Livingstone was booted from Labour after a 3-year intensive campaign- here is the Israel president Benyamin Netanyahu who is lauded by Britain's politicians and Jewish "community leaders" saying virtually the exact same thing.

It wasn't Hitler who wanted to kill the Jews- it was some nasty Arab. I guess Netanyahu has never read the transcripts of the Adolf Eichmann trial in Israel or he would know this is utter bullshit as Holocaust experts have attempted to tell him.
# Brits are being played like a cheap violin by the ghastly media and they are soaking it up.

Yes the more the media continues clueless Corbyn bashing the more certain I am that I (and many others) will be voting Labour at the next election if he is still Leader.

Logic states you cannot have a party full of Muslims and expect that party to like Jews....immaterial about third rate old Corbyn...a lucky man indeed to have equally limited opposition in May and Cable.

The biggest mistake made was the state of Israel calling itself a 'Jewish State'....this means Jews will be blamed for the actions of a state...and to be honest some of those actions are extremely unsavoury....justified or not....the original actions of expelling the local inhabitants,and replacing them with people who come in,and get better treatment because of their race will garner you no friends amongst British Muslims...whose first loyalty is more often than not to their religion,than country.

wjlmarsh wrote:
The subject matter was "Zionist". Thus she is inferring ALL jews are Zionists. It is the same logic inferring all Germans are Nazis.
That doesn't seem to me to be a reasonable parallel to make. According to this, most British Jews are Zionists, whereas this says Nazi party membership in Germany peaked at just 10%.

Jeremy Corbyn said "They [i.e. the Zionists he was referring to] clearly have two problems. One is they don't want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don't understand English irony either.""

If he was referring principally to non-Jewish Zionists, or didn't have Jewish Zionists in mind, why say they've lived in the UK for a very long time, probably all their lives? Why imply they're borderline aliens? Surely this is how Jews were viewed for hundreds of years.

Having said that, I'm not Jewish, so whether I think he was being anti-Semitic is irrelevant. But I don't understand why the concerns of Luciana Berger, Margaret Hodge, Stephen Pollard, Jonathan Sacerdoti, etc. should be dismissed, even if the right-wing press is an eager and hypocritical conduit. Are we supposed to think that whenever a Jew complains about anti-Semitism, they're most likely crying wolf? Or is it just that when they complain about Jeremy Corbyn, they're crying wolf?

JK2006 wrote:
Yes the more the media continues clueless Corbyn bashing the more certain I am that I (and many others) will be voting Labour at the next election if he is still Leader.

If the Blairites and Britains vast right-wing media manage to remove Corbyn...just as Rupert Murdoch has manipulated political events in Australia this week to remove a middle-of-the-road PM for a right-wing Evangelical replacement of his choice...then the claimed antisemitism in Labour would vanish overnight.

However- the local Jewish community will wear this like a cross of thorns for decades to come ( justified or not) as millions of disaffected Labour voters will blame their silence and seemingly co-operation in this dirty politically motivated campaign.

## Anonymous: apart from the fact millions of Arabs and Palestinians are also Christian. I have never found in the numerous Arab countries I have traveled to any animosity towards the local Jewish community. In the fact, the differences between them are almost non-existent.

They are, after all, both originally desert tribes. Probably why the Saudis get on so well with the Israelis.

#### Economic note for ITK our Board Conservative: Under Tony Blair the Labour Party was in serious debt. Now under Jeremy Corbyn the Labour Party has a £56M war chest. Talk about good management!

I have to say most British Jews I know are NOT Zionists and indeed despise them. Likewise most Muslims I know are fine with Jews (and vice versa). But, of course, that's not a good media story and, of course, nobody thinks this has anything to do with anti semitism. It's all about anti-Corbynism.

Trying to pin down the real "meaning" of Zionism especially among Jews is a complete nightmare.

It started and remains a political movement the same as the Conservative movement. Conservatism means all different things to different people much as Labour does.

But in fact, the largest group of Zionists are non-Jewish..the US Christian Evangelicals who are the most fanatical Zionists on the planet.

There are millions of them and the weirdest aspect is that the Israelis accommodate them when they believe the End Times are coming which means the total destruction of Israel (along with the rest of the world).

# The fact the Evangelics pour multi $Millions into Israel is entirely coincidental.

I never trust the political wings of obsessives - the IRA. Hamas. Zion.