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Huddersfield Grooming Gang
TOPIC: Huddersfield Grooming Gang
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Re:Huddersfield Grooming Gang 5 Years, 6 Months ago
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JK2006 wrote:
I'm not convinced by much of this; were they really 11? And not 15 adapted by memory? Can children never be willing to try things - to start things - to do things? I seem to remember children being very willing to kill other children or was that just Lord of the Flies fiction? Just because society and the law say something does not always make it true. Yes legally nobody under 16 can "consent" to sex, let alone be "willing". Is that reality? You tell me.
Children are very often willing to do all sorts of things that will harm themselves or others, especially if it is presented to them as normal.
The law protects them from themselves as well as others.
The law can be ridiculous at times. For example, an eleven year old can have puberty arrested in preparation for a sex change, but cant have a tattoo.
My view is that they are too young for both.
Come to think of it, I think some adults should be banned from tattoos too.
I know a lady who has a tattoo of a leaf on her neck and she loves it, but unfortunately it looks exactly like a vulva.
Nobody has told her.
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Re:Huddersfield Grooming Gang 5 Years, 6 Months ago
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I think a couple of posts, above, overcomplicate the phenomenon.
These Pakistani grooming gangs tend to operate in economically deprived areas which have a large Pakistani population: Huddersfield, Bradford, Rochdale... Also in these areas are young girls (and boys) from dysfunctional homes, or in very poor standard local authority care, largely free to run wild. Some of these will realise that they can get things they want, like money, cigarettes and drugs by (underage) prostituting themselves. At the time, they find it a fair exchange. Then years later when life has stabilised, they reflect that they wish they hadn't done it and re-cast their experiences as abusive. A small and unfortunate number come into contact with some very nasty characters and are mistreated horribly.
Meanwhile, because of the strong muslim and left wing lobby in local government, police and social services in these areas, the phenomenon isn't investigated with quite the rigour we would expect. To do so would undermine the left wing ideology and violate community solidarity. We're only seeing investigations and prosecutions NOW because the ideology has changed slightly: I Believe Me Too Women trumps Multiculturalism Is Good.
So I think the context in which the grooming gang phenomenon operates is wherever there is poverty and a subversion/corruption of democratic institutions and public services. This holds true in other parts of the world where there are similar problems. Pointing the finger at gang members or former teen tearaways is too late and too useless. Rather than fault and blame, cause and consequence are more practical terms in which to consider the phenomenon. Any genuine and meaningful improvement should come from economic development and reinforcing accountability and good practice in local governments and services.
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Re:Huddersfield Grooming Gang 5 Years, 6 Months ago
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Just travel a lot.
Germany, France and Slovakia have strong penalties for nazi tattoos.
Vietnam and Thailand have them for Buddha related tattoos etc.
Different countries have different rules, even for the ages of recipients.
Many say that for security and identification reasons, a small tattoo (in an obscure place) is a good idea.
Like the US Navy Seals, Special Forces, SAS etc.
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Re:Huddersfield Grooming Gang 5 Years, 6 Months ago
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the so-called "ring leader" was a Hindu so Not A Muslim at all.
this case seems a lot to do with deprivation and poverty with girls coming from shocking home lives where they are gradually drawn into a lifestyle that is fairly destructive.
The great thing is that you can then sort of re-write your history and absolve yourself of all self blame.
I'm not saying things couldn't have panned out any other way..poverty is a crime in itself which no-one should be a victim of.
The claim police, councils etc "looked the other way" is ridiculous of course as everything in retrospect is much easier to see especially when it's those who were also completely ignorant or not interested in the failings of society take the High Moral Road.
I blame society.
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