I'm not obsessed with this especially as I have zilch knowledge of what Michael Jackson may have done in his life.

My interest is in the way the media is getting worse (the Jimmy Savile matter sent it into hyper-drive) in the way it attempts to crucify anyone who dares to wander form the Preferred Narrative.

## It's been niggling away at me for ages and I decided to check:
James Safechuck in Leaving Neverland, claims he was "abused" "Above the train station" and this abuse happened from was 1988-1992.

### For a few years now I and a cousin have been researching our Grandfather who was a member of a Commune in Michigan called the House of David

The House of David had a theme park, opened to the public and Walt Disney visited at one stage and they say he got the idea of Disneyland.

They had toy train rides with trains built by an engineer member.
The theme park closed in 1973 and the trains were put in storage.
We've been in touch over the years with the commune historian who told us once how Michael Jackson had visited in 1995 & offered to buy the trains as he was building his train station at Neverland.

They turned down his offer.

As can be seen in this CBS photo dated 1993- the train station beganbeing constructed in 1993..It was completed in 1994 and began running in 1995 where Elizabeth Taylor had her wedding there.

Safechurch was "abused" above a train station (many times he says) up until 1992 in a building that only began being built in mid-1993 (in 1992 there wasn't even the construction) ???

Intriguing! That's a bit of a blooper by Safechuck. Great detective work, hedda. Hope you can spread this around!

I've been wondering how it has worked with Robson and Safechuck: if they have plotted together and been quite open with each other about concocting a story, or if one has copied the other, e.g Safechuck has copied Robson if Robson was the first one to make these claims, and if each thinks the other is an abuse victim and feels that their cause is strengthened by the other one.

MCR wrote:
www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jame...ckson-abuse-14207115

I am glad that people can now see for themselves how very convincing the liars/deluded can be.

Another hole in Safechuck's story:

"Safechuck says Jackson took him to Euro Disney on a “honeymoon” in 1988. Euro Disney did not exist until 1992. Of course, this is another story that gets the axe to “make room for commercials.”"
medium.com/@justhoughts/leaving-neverlan...or-less-35d2017469ba

Link includes a screenshot of a Wikipedia page showing that Euro Disney was opened on 12 April 1992.

What a dishonest endeavour that film must be.

Far too many inconsistancies in the whole story going back to the Jordy Chandler days....however.

This idea that everything is slumber parties and popcorn...

Well...EVERY man wakes up with an erection, this is not a rumour..
Ofcourse you can choose to believe the IM PETER PAN excuse just as much as you can believe the OUR FATHER(Joe Jackson) WAS A LOVING CARING MAN crap that this bizarre family have come out with more than once..
Maybe someone ask LATOYA why she said Michael was guilty back in the early 90s...even appearing on Darcus Howe Devils Advocate for a full show to drone on about it....only later to back track.
Look...I dont like the idea that one if the most important people in modern music may have been touching 8 year olds...but i also dont buy the 30 days 24/7 sleep overs just eating popcorn and watchin chitty chitty bang bang on repeat.

What if it had been Phil Collins or Meatloaf or i dunno...one of the members of Showaddywaddy having sleepovers with their fans 8 year old kids?

And as for this. BUT BUT HE NEVER HAD A CHIIIIIYULDHOOOD😢😢😢
utter bollocks....he was a millionaire lived in a huge house had EVERYTHING he ever needed since he could even get a stiffy🙌 so save that excuse.

Either way...the guy has been dead for 10 years...what they gonna do?...dig up his golden casket and place it in a cell on Rikers Island?

If he had a predeliction for little boys, what about those who say they were around him as little boys, like McCauley Culkin, and he didn't abuse them? It doesn't make sense that an abuser would only abuse some.

This woman makes some interesting points:
“Do Not Believe The Lies”

Maybe it was completely innocent. His oddness may not have been limited to his appearance. He did have a high-pitched voice. Maybe his children really were his, but they don't seem to look as if they're half black. Arrested development? It's possible that he genuinely liked the company of children rather than for any nefarious reasons.

Jo wrote:
If he had a predeliction for little boys, what about those who say they were around him as little boys, like McCauley Culkin, and he didn't abuse them? It doesn't make sense that an abuser would only abuse some.

This woman makes some interesting points:
“Do Not Believe The Lies”

Maybe it was completely innocent. His oddness may not have been limited to his appearance. He did have a high-pitched voice. Maybe his children really were his, but they don't seem to look as if they're half black. Arrested development? It's possible that he genuinely liked the company of children rather than for any nefarious reasons.

there have been no more accusers..I recall in the early 80s working with an Indonesian promoter who was trying to set up a concert with Jackson there and she arranged a conference in a London hotel with a black agent for Jackson. He was about 26 yrs old and the Indonesian promoter who had met Jackson many times said once.."he's Michael's boyfriend and he trusts him"..could have been gossip of course.

by the way despite my obvious brilliance (OK not obvious to many) while I was thinking about these dates because the House Of David stuff was filling my mind and the email exchanges with the historian was all about Jackson's visit and how he showed Michael around the large storage facility describing Michael as like an excited kid....others were way ahead of me on this and it's really become quite a thing with director Dan Reed making a fumbled attempt to justify the dates.

## ideas can be odd..many people can pick up on them at the same time as though they are floating in the ether and ready to pop into people's heads.

hedda wrote:
Jo wrote:
If he had a predeliction for little boys, what about those who say they were around him as little boys, like McCauley Culkin, and he didn't abuse them? It doesn't make sense that an abuser would only abuse some.

This woman makes some interesting points:
“Do Not Believe The Lies”

Maybe it was completely innocent. His oddness may not have been limited to his appearance. He did have a high-pitched voice. Maybe his children really were his, but they don't seem to look as if they're half black. Arrested development? It's possible that he genuinely liked the company of children rather than for any nefarious reasons.

there have been no more accusers..I recall in the early 80s working with an Indonesian promoter who was trying to set up a concert with Jackson there and she arranged a conference in a London hotel with a black agent for Jackson. He was about 26 yrs old and the Indonesian promoter who had met Jackson many times said once.."he's Michael's boyfriend and he trusts him"..could have been gossip of course.

by the way despite my obvious brilliance (OK not obvious to many) while I was thinking about these dates because the House Of David stuff was filling my mind and the email exchanges with the historian was all about Jackson's visit and how he showed Michael around the large storage facility describing Michael as like an excited kid....others were way ahead of me on this and it's really become quite a thing with director Dan Reed making a fumbled attempt to justify the dates.

## ideas can be odd..many people can pick up on them at the same time as though they are floating in the ether and ready to pop into people's heads.

Another example: www.bulbs.com/learning/history.aspx

Jo wrote:
If he had a predeliction for little boys, what about those who say they were around him as little boys, like McCauley Culkin, and he didn't abuse them? It doesn't make sense that an abuser would only abuse some.

This woman makes some interesting points:
“Do Not Believe The Lies”

Maybe it was completely innocent. His oddness may not have been limited to his appearance. He did have a high-pitched voice. Maybe his children really were his, but they don't seem to look as if they're half black. Arrested development? It's possible that he genuinely liked the company of children rather than for any nefarious reasons.

His father, Joe Jackson, was African and Native American, with "white" relatives further back so it is not impossible that the children are his genetically.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Jo wrote:
If he had a predeliction for little boys, what about those who say they were around him as little boys, like McCauley Culkin, and he didn't abuse them? It doesn't make sense that an abuser would only abuse some.

This woman makes some interesting points:
“Do Not Believe The Lies”

Maybe it was completely innocent. His oddness may not have been limited to his appearance. He did have a high-pitched voice. Maybe his children really were his, but they don't seem to look as if they're half black. Arrested development? It's possible that he genuinely liked the company of children rather than for any nefarious reasons.

His father, Joe Jackson, was African and Native American, with "white" relatives further back so it is not impossible that the children are his genetically.
That's interesting. That does sound possible.

Regarding the allegations, this certainly gives me pause: James Safechuck's father says 'there was nothing wrong with it' when Michael Jackson would kiss his son on the lips

Assuming that it's true that Michael Jackson kissed James Safechuck on the lips (it's apparently what a teenage James Safechuck told police in 1993), how can it be explained away as innocent or reliving a missed childhood?

Jo wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Jo wrote:
If he had a predeliction for little boys, what about those who say they were around him as little boys, like McCauley Culkin, and he didn't abuse them? It doesn't make sense that an abuser would only abuse some.

This woman makes some interesting points:
“Do Not Believe The Lies”

Maybe it was completely innocent. His oddness may not have been limited to his appearance. He did have a high-pitched voice. Maybe his children really were his, but they don't seem to look as if they're half black. Arrested development? It's possible that he genuinely liked the company of children rather than for any nefarious reasons.

His father, Joe Jackson, was African and Native American, with "white" relatives further back so it is not impossible that the children are his genetically.
That's interesting. That does sound possible.

Regarding the allegations, this certainly gives me pause: James Safechuck's father says 'there was nothing wrong with it' when Michael Jackson would kiss his son on the lips

Assuming that it's true that Michael Jackson kissed James Safechuck on the lips (it's apparently what a teenage James Safechuck told police in 1993), how can it be explained away as innocent or reliving a missed childhood?

Lots of people kiss children on the lips. I dont know why. It seems an odd thing to do to me, but it depends on your culture, social status and upbringing, I suppose.

I respond to a peck on the lips in greeting from some male friends, but there is nothing sexual in it, and no reason to think kissing children on the lips is sexual either. (unless its a snog)

Yes I don't like kissing anyone other than lovers on the lips but many do it to everyone - even to their mothers and fathers.