As his ex wife stands up for Prince Andrew and he apologises for daring to remain friendly and even staying at the home of a convicted criminal, it's interesting to see how loyalty to friends, considered a good human trait years ago, is now condemned as vile behaviour. What a weird society humanity has become this century. And few seem to have noticed (the media, of course, chooses to look the other way - it's a better story).

I think anyone with an ounce of sense can see why the media look the otger way.

The phone hacking scandal is crucifying them.
It's almost like they show themselves as the bitter, twisted things they are.

It will get worse for them,because it needs to.

Plenty of other conspiracy nutters and idiots will be getting a visit too.
Officials are not willing to risk themselves over those cretins.


I don't like to rub my hands with glee because I'm not a psycho and I'm just doing my job. I do though, love it when the tables turn!


Hallelujah indeed!

From the clips of the interview shown on the news so far, he's saying that he has no recollection of Virginia Roberts and speaks about acting honourably with regard to Epstein. I wonder if his lawyers have advised him to say he can't remember Roberts and if he will explain what he means about being honourable.

I assume by "honourable" he means not deserting a friend and by not remembering having met her means that we minor celebrities have a dozen selfies with strangers demanded every day.

That sound logical but might need explaining, as many people might think it more honourable to side with the victims of crime if a friend broke the law. But if Andrew didn't believe that Epstein broke the law, and that was why he maintained contact, perhaps he might be in deeper trouble if he said so.

Do you think this Virginia Roberts woman has a financial motivation?

"She rejected suggestions that she was motivated by the possibility of compensation, saying that the statute of limitations prevented her making a legal claim."
www.bbc.com/news/uk-49774539

Is there still some way of her receiving compensation? Could she be being paid by the media? There's mention [url-https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-virginia-roberts-unsealed-memoir-2019-8]here[/url] of a memoir.

Oh yes fortunes from media - interview fees - book - TV and radio - highly paid tabloid sessions - lesser paid "noble broadsheet" photos. Rumour has it the Fake Sheik is involved in this money making enterprise.

Saying 'I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady' is a prudent way of putting his point.

Just in case someone produces pictures, video, documentation or other irrefutable evidence of a rendezvous/alliance.

Nobody can disagree with PA's statement - as only he knows what he remembers.

A common stance to take, in legal matters - relating to whether or not individuals have met, or had interaction.

Later, PA can easily say - if and when collaborative evidence is produced - 'ah I think I remember her now'....

The media creates a story out of a non event (adult consents to contact with a celebrity and, years later, colours the tale). None of us can know the truth except, possibly, two people. But it's only a good story if inflated, coloured, exaggerated. And there are millions to be made by inventing. Best, of course, if the victim is dead but these days it appears acceptable to libel the living.

There are some occasions when a victim can say "I've never even met this person" - as in my 2001 case where the False Accuser who started it all (by going to Max Clifford who told him he needed a celebrity name so he invented mine) had never met me. Eventually I found evidence (he'd begged people to be introduced to me, which they refused). 18 years later his claims were proved false and I was declared Not Guilty by a Crown Court jury.

Personally I've had more respect for him if he just said something like: "sure I had consenting sex with her. I'm a heterosexual bloke. What of it?"

He's a waste of space. He's been known to whistle and click his fingers in order to summon those he perceives to be 'servants'. A vile creature.

The claims are bollox.

How do I know? Because I do & I'm never wrong (except occasionally)

I hate the media (that could change if someone offers me a good job)..they are regurgitating these very very weak claims over & over & over.

The ghastly Australian 60 Minutes that brought you the ludicrous Spies, Lords and Predators (with research by "Nick" Exaro & that other nutter..that woman who accused an MP) assaulted us all last week about their Prince Andrew expose and all it was the same old rubbish and that ex-hooker making idiot claims.

And she was a hooker..a prostitute..a whore..a brass (depending where you are from..I make no judgement about that but the notion she was "sex slave" is an insult to real sex slaves.

What she couldn't have walked out of Tramp and off to the US Embassy (not far away) and claimed she was a slave?

Earth to FALSE ACCUSERS: The Royals don't go to Tramp..they didn't go to Munckberrys..they don't go to Heaven..they go to ANANABELS

Obviously Andrew's people have now worked out the dates and realised where he was..the Pizza In Woking and the Adrenaline complaint can be easily checked..as if there aren't dozens of public and staff who will remember prince Andrew buying a pizza!!

You don;t think half of Fleet Street are now not descending on Woking?

And yet again I'm depressed by seeing "credible" hacks rabbiting on about.
1. he went for a pizza when he implied no snobbishness but they do and..
2, He should explain himnself.

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BLOODY WELL EXPLAIN HIMSELF..IF SOMEONE ACCUSES YOU THEY AHVE TO PROVE THEIR CLAIMS.

Jo..of course it's about money..all the claimants are suing his estate,

## I reckon those who now control his estate..his brother..will tie it up for years and years.

I don't think this main claimant will get a penny.

I keep saying it..her ridiculous Andrew claims were an accusation too far..it will be proved Andrew was buying a pizza for the gals.

## QUESTION: How did an ex-prostitute who talked other young girls into working as prostitutes (she doesn't deny this) GET TO BE AN AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN !!!!

I agree hedda.

He was right to say he doesn't know. If he outright said "no" and he may have done, people will think he's lying.

I mean it's nothing but a stitch up.
The press printed a photo of him and her and splashed it across pages. All of this was going on before phone hacking was known about and in the background of Diana's suspicious death.

I think the convenient Princely stitch up was possibly to try and keep the wolves away from poking around hacking.

Diana's death is indeed connected to phone hacking too.
They can deny it as much as they like, but it is a FACT.
Diana gave the phone numbers of royal members to News of the World (Rupert's staff).
She was not killed by Mi5/6 or royalty as the nutter brigade would want people to believe.
That BS only serves a purpose for the criminals who carry guilt.
Think about the night she died, how many on Fleet Street and elsewhere knew hacking was going on? Any lawyers in the know at the time?

They kept very quiet on that.
Instead, they turned their attentions to create outrage at the Queen not putting the flag up so they marched Tony Blair out to speak to her.
Meanwhile the Queen was busy confiscating radios and Tv's from every room to protect Harry and William.
Poor family, and on top of their grief they get accused of murder.


The media are disgusting and standards are worse today!

Andrew's experience will be a timely reminder to his nephew Harry - who seems to think that he, and his family, should live (part of the time, at least) in America.

When spending Christmas there this year, Harry and Meghan will be aware that the global media will be constantly watching them - and that US born Meghan will make them even more newsworthy.

Our former king, Edward VIII spent a lot of time in the US, with his American wife (also a divorcee, with a past) - before the days of instant TV coverage and the internet.


Even then, he and Wallis couldn't escape the limelight. Their visits to places such as Palm Springs and Manhattan - like Andrew's - were well covered in the media then; primarily magazines and newspapers.

I think he acquitted himself reasonably well in the interview. The only part which I thought a bit wobbly was when he admitted that it was him in the photo wearing clothes he usually wore when travelling abroad but implied that the photo might have been mocked up because he said that he didn't tend to get touchy-feelie in photos. But there was not only a hand round her, and here he seemed to be questioning whether it was his hand, but a hand round him. He did say that the photo had been taken upstairs in Epstein's home and that he hadn't been upstairs, which seemed more solid.

It looks as if Virginia Roberts might well get compensation from the estate.

Executors of Jeffrey Epstein's estate propose victim compensation fund

I was reading the comments on the Guardian FB page yesterday under the articles about Andrew and people seem to be cockahoop: all believe the allegations. I didn't see one comment suggesting otherwise.

I wonder if Andrew saying he doesn't recall Virginia Roberts has had the same effect on the public, especially in view of the photo, as Rolf Harris seemingly had on the jury by saying he'd never been to Cambridge.

Because huge swathes of idiots believe the cock and bull spouted by nutters.
I expect they alternate between there and Ickes sanctuary for those incapable of independent thought.
With the messiah informing them of whatever crap he's thought up that day they run and shout "paedo" at everyone whilst smoking a spliff and living their far from virtuous and morally unsound lives!
Not to mention those bimbos who say "It's okay to have a bit on the side," live on morning TV.
Not if you are a royal though, eh? Not in your confused and senseless world.

As they say 'A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing'.


I don't know how they explain their own stupidity away.
I somehow doubt they will be blaming it on vaccines!

The Andrew/Rolf link is bizarre, under so many headings

Although I've no interest in either mediocrity


Rolf - was a stage Australian; performed in the UK, as an oddity

Andrew, talentless/just born into a privileged family


What they have on common though...

...is an chronic inability to employ a good PR organisation

Jo wrote:
I think he acquitted himself reasonably well in the interview. The only part which I thought a bit wobbly was when he admitted that it was him in the photo wearing clothes he usually wore when travelling abroad but implied that the photo might have been mocked up because he said that he didn't tend to get touchy-feelie in photos. But there was not only a hand round her, and here he seemed to be questioning whether it was his hand, but a hand round him. He did say that the photo had been taken upstairs in Epstein's home and that he hadn't been upstairs, which seemed more solid.

It looks as if Virginia Roberts might well get compensation from the estate.

Executors of Jeffrey Epstein's
state propose victim compensation fund

I'm a bit puzzled by that photo but I'm no expert on photo-shopping.

He says it's a photo of a photo of a photo..not sure how he knows that but his arm around her looks as though it could be a bit too long. But that could be just how I'm looking at it.

There are some things I think are pretty evident...and it's my speculation..but these Royal Blokes are really in the hands of their controllers day and day out and they are drilled relentlessly on how to act.

They aren't robots..they are human beings and they are going to have sex but my pal who was a Royal Correspondent on Hello! for years told me once "the boys are told to only have sex with ladies form the same "class"..of which there will be endless offers".. they are after all bigger than Pop Stars..(even JK ) and plenty of Sloane Rangers will be lining up to do the dirty..( and some are gorgeous..look at Harry's conquests) so I ask you..

If Andrew had just bonked a working prostitute (for that is what she is) and knew that's what happened...would he be them photographed with her !!!!!