The Daily Mail has a clip of the upcoming Panorama interview with Prince Andrew's accuser. She's spouting tears and claiming it was a "really scary time in my life". Despite not looking at all terrified in the photo, I expect plenty of people will buy her story.

'He knows what happened, I know what happened - only one of us is telling the truth': First clip of Virginia Roberts' explosive Panorama interview on Prince Andrew is released

I suspect that they are both lying, but about different events.

The reason given for that photo being taken is bizarre, to my way of thinking.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uncropped-...ince-andrew-20948872

She [Roberts] said at the time: "All of us went upstairs and I asked Jeffrey to snap a picture of me with the Prince. I wanted something to show my mom."

But surely this would alert her mother to something a little odd going on? If I had sent my mum a photo with Prince Andrew's arm wrapped around me in someone's house I'd expect a lot of questions, especially if I was 17.

What did her mum think about her going on this jaunt?

Why would you send your mum a photo of one of your alleged abusers or someone connected with your allegedly abusive situation unless it was with the aim of getting you out of it? In which case you wouldn't have a broad grin on your face.

Answers on a postcard, please.

I refuse to watch the bollocks!


I'll ask again.
Was Prince Andrew the only alleged client?

The silence is deafening!
It is also looking like it could be used as proof of schemes with such a trail.

Going once
Going twice
Going to prison...


Blackmail ( emotional) is a heinous crime.

Sheba Bear wrote:
The reason given for that photo being taken is bizarre, to my way of thinking.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uncropped-...ince-andrew-20948872

She [Roberts] said at the time: "All of us went upstairs and I asked Jeffrey to snap a picture of me with the Prince. I wanted something to show my mom."

But surely this would alert her mother to something a little odd going on? If I had sent my mum a photo with Prince Andrew's arm wrapped around me in someone's house I'd expect a lot of questions, especially if I was 17.

What did her mum think about her going on this jaunt?

Why would you send your mum a photo of one of your alleged abusers or someone connected with your allegedly abusive situation unless it was with the aim of getting you out of it? In which case you wouldn't have a broad grin on your face.

Answers on a postcard, please.


It is pretty normal to have someone's arm around you in a photo. I have got photos of me in all sorts of people's arms and I have never foot massaged anyone!

Assuming for a moment that the girl is telling the truth, her enjoying it and wanting to show off about Prince Andrew is neither here nor there.
She was underage and could not consent. (Again, just imagining her story is accurate)

Sheba Bear wrote:
The reason given for that photo being taken is bizarre, to my way of thinking.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uncropped-...ince-andrew-20948872

She [Roberts] said at the time: "All of us went upstairs and I asked Jeffrey to snap a picture of me with the Prince. I wanted something to show my mom."

But surely this would alert her mother to something a little odd going on? If I had sent my mum a photo with Prince Andrew's arm wrapped around me in someone's house I'd expect a lot of questions, especially if I was 17.

What did her mum think about her going on this jaunt?

Why would you send your mum a photo of one of your alleged abusers or someone connected with your allegedly abusive situation unless it was with the aim of getting you out of it? In which case you wouldn't have a broad grin on your face.

Answers on a postcard, please.

Spot on Sheba.

Will she say anything different than she did on the (ludicrous) Australian 60 Mins?

It promised "startling revelations which will shock you" (so they ranted every fringing night on the teve...but all she said were the same thing s we read over and over again.

Somewhat rocked their steller reputation that included such hits as "Spied , Lords and Predators" that featured "Nick", "victim" that wacky dame who accused that LD MP plus Exaro and an an Australia House Chauffeur (lovely building in The Strand)who claimed he regularly picked up said "victim on a weekly basis in the High Commissioner's Rolls Royce to drive her to Dolphin Square but alas..it tuned out he was a "relief driver" who was employed for 3 days only once when the Commissioner's chauffeir was off sick.

# this 60 Mins show is repeated ad infinitum on the web as though it's factual.

2 weeks before they lauded that Stinson whatevr he's called..noted arsonist and pedo vigilante.

Always worth a watch as Media Watch takes down Spies Lords and Predators:

www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/60-mi...nvestigation/9972338

Good questions, Sheba Bear. Having that photo taken with that demeanour seems at odds with feeling in an abusive situation. She also seems to be claiming that she was a runaway (e.g. Miami Herald report on YouTube "How teen runaway Virginia Roberts became one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims"). I'd have thought she'd have been estranged from her parents if she'd been a runaway and unlikely to be thinking of a souvenir to send to her mum.

This 2015 Daily Mail article also quotes her as saying she was a runaway: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: The first full account of the masseuse at the center of the explosive Prince Andrew 'sex slave' drama... but is she telling the truth?

It raises questions about what age she was, as it says "She was working as a changing room assistant in the spa at Donald Trump’s palatial Florida country club, Mar-A-Lago, where her father was a maintenance manager. Soon after her 15th birthday, in 1998, she says she met Ghislaine at the club." But the Miami Herald interview says she was 16 when she was working in the spa and met Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

That article refers to another Prince Andrew accuser, Johanna Sjoberg, who is the subject of this recent article and looks as if she may have inspired Roberts:

Woman who claims Prince Andrew groped her pictured for first time in 10 years

"Johanna Sjoberg could provide the FBI with key evidence over Prince Andrew’s links to ­Jeffrey Epstein as agents step up their probe into the US paedophile. The 39-year-old is prepared to talk to them about her allegations the royal groped her in the late billionaire’s New York home when she was 21….Johanna had claimed Andrew groped her breast while he sat her on his knee at Epstein’s home. Her allegations in 2007 are ­understood to have given Virginia Giuffre, born Roberts, the courage to make her claims that Andrew had sex with her when she was 17."

"Johanna Sjoberg could provide the FBI with key evidence over Prince Andrew’s links to ­Jeffrey Epstein as agents step up their probe into the US paedophile."

That would be the same FBI who aren't investigating Andrew the same way The Met aren't investigating him yes?

"the courage to make her claims"..courage=$$$$$$$

## I still maintain she'll end up getting nothing.

Now that Epstein's bother controls his estate I reckon he will have the money so tied in endless trusts (if Epstein already didn't..remember he'd already paid out claims and was a smart cookie..anticipating more?.

I can imagine his brother seething that Jeffrey was riven to suicide and seeing there is so much allegedly.. $550M ?..why not string it out for years ?.

I say she's over-egged the pudding and never should have claimed Andrew...probably would have already had a nice settlement by now.


Must be really nice for her kids in that Northern Australian town, when they go to school.

The point is, she's claiming to be a poor victim!

Bookworm wrote:
The point is, she's claiming to be a poor victim!

The point is, even if she thoroughly enjoyed it, even if she was the instigator, she IS a victim because she was not old enough to give consent.

(again, assuming truth for the sake of discussion only. I assume all parties are innocent unless we discover otherwise)

I'll ask again...

Where are the names of other alleged clients?

I mean ffs, there are so many professionals with opinions on this and even they are avoiding asking this.

Surely Rupert Murdoch wouldn't allow a prince to be thrown to the wolves whilst protecting others?

The whole thing stinks and is very telling!

quite right Bookworm but Rupert Murdoch would throw all the Royals under a bus if it suited him:

A brief history lesson:

I know JK sat next to him on a plane and thinks he is quite nice..I've met him once - he can be charming (but so is The Devil )and I've been at functions he has attended and he did tell me to "fuck off" at the opening of his Fox Studios in Sydney when he realised I was from a rival l newspaper (why did he invite me?) but..

Rupert Murdoch HATES the UK and all it stands for.

he thinks the vast majority are peasants and the country is simply to be exploited.

Some of this goes back to his father's influence.

Sir Keith Murdoch as a young journalist was posted to cover the failed Galipolli campaign.

## an Official War Artist accompanied him: George Washington Lambert..the Grandfather of The Who discoverer Kit Lambert.
### Lambert outraged the British generals by wearing a hat with more plumes than they..like father like son..like Grandfather like Grandson.

Sir Keith was appalled by the incompetence of the upper class British generals which led to the slaughter of 1000s of Australian soldiers. His dispatches from the Front Line recorded this.

Rupert Murdoch has spoken many times of this.

Yet he has also ensured for 40 years in the UK the same type of pompous politicians are elected but purely for profit.

Why would he give a stuff about the Royals. They are there to be exploited.

# Lachlan Murdoch is the heir presumptive..now people say he is far more "conservative" than his father.
he once sent a memo around when I briefly worked at a publication he ran saying "don't bother using the internet..it's a passing fad".

## George Lambert emigrated to Australia in the late 1800s & became their first celebrated artist..you can see from his self-portrait how flamboyant he was. Note the Dame Edna Gladioli !
Qualities seemingly passed down to his son composer Constant Lamberet and grandson Kit who was the inspiration behind The Who's rock operas etc.
Why any working class person reads The Sun is a mystery.

Epstein accuser stands by her allegations

She would have us believe that she was disgusted by Prince Andrew sweating over her in Tramp, felt sick when Ghislaine Maxwell then told her in the car what she'd be expected to do for him, but then had a photo taken with him looking happy and relaxed with her arm round him to show her mum. This makes no sense at all. Yet judging from comments on Twitter plenty of people believe her.

And sadly the majority will choose to believe False Accusers. Look at Carl Beech (if you must). The two bimbos featured in the dreadful Panorama cheap hack job were two clear opportunists. $160,000 was revealed - years ago - from, naturally, a British tabloid. The other needed cash for Botox around the lips.

Disregarding the arrangement/relationship between Roberts and Epstein (he's dead, in any event) - is what happened, or may have happened, between Roberts and Prince Andrew really relevant?

Both were consenting single adults, and therefore did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law - in whatever jurisdiction. Is illegal activity being suggested - or am I missing something!?

Barney wrote:
Disregarding the arrangement/relationship between Roberts and Epstein (he's dead, in any event) - is what happened, or may have happened, between Roberts and Prince Andrew really relevant?

Both were consenting single adults, and therefore did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law - in whatever jurisdiction. Is illegal activity being suggested - or am I missing something!?




well she claims she was "sex trafficked" but we haven't yet been presented with a single piece of evidence to confirm that.

It's a pretty weird law in the US because it conjures up..and masses of people believe this..kiddies kidnapped off the street, put in chains and then trafficked around the country.

Rather this was an underage lady - 17 where the NY law is 18 ( US States have differing ages of consent) and it's used to bust say a "suspect" who hires a 40 year old Hooker and as part of their deal takes her to Florida for the weekend.


The UK equivalent would be someone hiring a prostitute in London and flying her to Scotland for a holiday and a week of licentiousness yet it wouldn't be illegal.
Why is flying your trade somewhere so bad? Puritan America that's why.

Masses of people also believe Donald Trump has a "Pentagon Pedo Task Force" and has been arresting "elites" and members of the "Deep State" including Hilary Clinton (must have been a clone on the Graham Norton show the other day)

## If you read any credible books about the Mafia the FBI was always trying to get a Mafia member for this because of their penchant for flying hookers around the USA and paying them a fortune for a raunchy weekend but the ladies (or lads) would never give evidence.

### Panaroma as expected revealed nothing but the mob of dummies lapping this up believe what they want.

TV "personality" and (alarmingly) "newsreader" India Willoughby is beside herself with excitement as the email sited says it proves Prince Andrew is lying after he said he'd never met the complainant.

But of course it's Willoughby who is lying or being thick as Andrew never said that..he said "he can't recall meeting her " which is entirely credible given the time and the number of people he must have met since and let's face it. the accuser has nil charisma so why would he remember her?

Thus her followers pick up what has become the media's vile habit of subtly changing the narrative and then they all parrot it like a Chorus Line and thus we have..JK's Good Story. ( or a better story)

#### What happens when people have sex changes or become transgender?. I know several including one who was a well know left wing, if not firebrand journalist in Australia who has veered right over to the Right Wing (still plays cricket though but now in the ladies team)?.

Jo points out inconsistencies in claimant's story and of course she cried so that means she's telling the truth which also explains why Hollywood is so successful as people can cry on cue in movies and viewers believe it.

## lot of cynics in the Mail comments though which is telling of how the Great Unwashed Public thinks and I reckon they are getting a tad weary of this as the story never progresses into anything concrete.

#### Now "victim's" Dad comes on the scene to confirm her tale..how he could know we are not told yet complainant apparently ran away from home to join the Epstein Circus via Mar A Lago and said complainant took pic with Andrew (after much perspiration not evident in photo) to show her Mum she ran away from??

The final word on the media belongs to..was it The Times?.. who said the complainant "now lives a reclusive life in Northern Queensland" thus reversing the whole meaning of the word "reclusive".

Barney wrote:
Disregarding the arrangement/relationship between Roberts and Epstein (he's dead, in any event) - is what happened, or may have happened, between Roberts and Prince Andrew really relevant?

Both were consenting single adults, and therefore did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law - in whatever jurisdiction. Is illegal activity being suggested - or am I missing something!?




Just the trafficking aspect. It seems that if a prostitute gets o a bus to go and work she has been trafficked.

What I dont understand, is why someone would bother flying a seventeen year old thousands of miles to have it off with a prince, and sign them into Tramps club?

Surely London is full of teenage prostitutes? (exploited or not) .

What could possibly make this plain and ordinary looking girl interesting enough to be flown thousands of miles and (apparently?) have Andrew ask questions about her?

Hedda as usual brings up an interesting answer; if you want to have sex legally with a 17 year old girl, don't do it in New York (Age of Consent 18) fly her to London or Florida if you can afford to (Ages of Consent 16). So then "they" have to prosecute you for "trafficking" or "procuring" or Prostitution".

All the references I've seen to the age of consent in New York State put the age of consent at 17. Is New York City different?

One point I haven't seen raised anywhere is whether she is being used as a pawn by the Australian Republican movement. Because if anything has damaged the standing of the monarchy in recent years, this certainly has.

I suspect she is pulling her own strings. At £160,000 a pop, why not?