Notice how this narrative is now creeping mainstream. Prof Ferguson, no less, says we could have gone a sesnsible Swedish way and side stepped the media induced hysteria...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/02/prof...used-science-uk-has/

Did Prof Ferguson, no less, say that before the lockdown started? Are we going to have these po-faced retrospective claims for the rest of the damned year?

2m distancing was ridiculous also. It's all about controling the public.

Rick wrote:
Did Prof Ferguson, no less, say that before the lockdown started? Are we going to have these po-faced retrospective claims for the rest of the damned year?

Oh a lot longer than a year Rick given that the economic fall out from this nonsense hasn't even begun to kick in...

The media, after all, love a good story 😁

Sweden has kept bars and restaurants open, but with such restrictions that they are not going to make any profits and it is hardly worth their while.

As I have said before, Sweden has a much lower density population, lower bame population, less people in care homes, and more single person households, and they started their softer lockdown earlier than we did, when we were all going to pubs, restaurants, race meetings, and football matches.

Covid 19 it was a difficult call, and still is!

Boris Johnson from what I have seen to date from the election until now has been a very leader. (Before and later on I do not know and I will see)

Boris as soon as was possible has pushed a timetable to get the country up and running. He has to override both fact (Covid 19 has been lethal more than recent flu's) and friction (people's fears - note Labour party leadership for example not helpful at all)

Ferguson prediction as I understand it was a request for the worst case senario. On that score who really knows. Covid 19 has shown itself to be extremely contagious and lethal for a small percentage.

So there is a lot to learn and understand. And we need honest scientists and leaders (both grops appear hard to find the honesty element) to find out what can be found out. We do not need leaders like Trump, who is quick to blame and use things for his own political purposes.

The usual UK retrospective "blame game" will not help. Hope, just hope that in general people will take a let's find the naswers approach for the future and learn.

wjlmarsh wrote:
Covid 19 it was a difficult call, and still is!

Boris Johnson from what I have seen to date from the election until now has been a very leader. (Before and later on I do not know and I will see)


A Very What Leader? An important verb is missing.

Here's Prof Ferguson, no less, speaking in April:

Ferguson, the adviser whose work formed the basis of the lockdown strategy, said that social distancing would need to be maintained even as restrictions eased. “Our estimates show we have relatively little leeway; if we relax measures too much then we’ll see a resurgence of transmission,” he told Today on BBC Radio 4. “If we want to open schools, let people get back to work, then we need to keep transmission down in another manner.

“And it’s not going to be going back to normal. We will have to maintain some level of social distancing, a significant level, until we have a vaccine available.”

It must be great being a scientific advisor: Then: 'You must do this'. Later: 'I don't think you should have done that'. Thanks, you idiot, no less.

Sorry yes about missing verb. "very good" but my subconscious must of been working at the same time. Because I meant good in the sense of clever positive steps to get Brexit done which was the democratic vote whatever one really wants. He got it done. Now he is leading and pushing for a return to the country operating fully. In that sense he is doing a good job.

Good in the sense does he have a heart for all people I do not know. Like what will become of the homeless and how will he deal with accommodation shortage and difficult homeless people who may lack disciple and/or have strong substance abuse etc Will Boris continue behaviour to social needs with the same brutality the police ofen operate under and many of the public as well or will he lead with kindness, compassion and reasonableness. I have no idea.

wjlmarsh wrote:
Sorry yes about missing verb. "very good" but my subconscious must of been working at the same time. Because I meant good in the sense of clever positive steps to get Brexit done which was the democratic vote whatever one really wants. He got it done. Now he is leading and pushing for a return to the country operating fully. In that sense he is doing a good job.

Good in the sense does he have a heart for all people I do not know. Like what will become of the homeless and how will he deal with accommodation shortage and difficult homeless people who may lack disciple and/or have strong substance abuse etc Will Boris continue behaviour to social needs with the same brutality the police ofen operate under and many of the public as well or will he lead with kindness, compassion and reasonableness. I have no idea.

I don't think he has been a very good leader at all or a very bad one.We should have locked down sooner and harder. Instead of urging people to not go to the pubs, but still allow them to open was stupid and led to a surge in cases. Also I think the slight relaxing of restrictions on Monday was a mistake. To allow 6 people from different households to meet in a garden has and will lead to young people meeting for barbecues, getting drunk, losing inhibitions and going indoors. Any easing of restrictions should be to allow lonely elderley people to see relatives at a distance. The track and trace seems pointless. You have to let the track and trace team know about anyone you have been less than 2m from for over 15 mins. You shouldn't be near anyone for 15 mins as this is against social distancing rules. Rates are going down much more slowly than other countries. Cases in Italy are around 1/10th of that in the UK.

Tha Quarantine rules are probably a good idea. It won't dissuade anyone from coming here, because they wouldn't be coming anyway, unless they absolutely have to. Hotels, bars, restaurants, cafes, cinemas, museums, and even public toilets are all closed. No one is coming here for leisure.

Sorry but I have to step in, pedant or not, as this is now the second instance in this thread of the inaccurate use of the word verb.

"Very" and "good" when used with the noun "leader" are adjectives, not verbs.

Personally I would use other adjectives to illustrate our leader, previously or currently.

There are also several verbs I would like to do to him....

But this is polite company so I will refrain...