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TOPIC: Ghislaine Maxwell
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Re:Ghislaine Maxwell 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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This simple saga could be synopsised as a financial genius becoming very rich by advising American billionaires, on finance.
Whilst associating with the powerful and famous - and, allegedly, engaging in sexual activity with women who were procured on his behalf.
However, because of those he mingled with - in Palm Springs, NYC, DC, Sandringham, Windsor etc. - this saga will continue for years.
And is a godsend to the media - not least because of the angles and potential side stories that can be generated from his acquaintances.
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Re:Ghislaine Maxwell 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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robbiex wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
It is interesting to see women starting to be victims of the false allegations industry. As long as the presumption of guilt remains and "they will be believed", this very ludicrous crime will continue to explode. Whilst currently mainly against the wealthy (and preferably dead), let's not forget ordinary people convicted of crimes that never took place in return for a few grand compensation. Where is Carl Beech when you need him?
We don't know that this is a false allegation, it may well be or it could be true. There is a 4 part documentary series on netflix about Epstein. There are a lot of testimonies that suggest she was involved in wrongdoing, but the documentary does have an agender. An unproven allegation is not a false allegation, just merely unproven.
www.netflix.com/search?q=epstein&jbv...&jbp=0&jbr=0
Yes I agree Robbie.
I understand why JK and others here take the default position of every accusation being part of the "false accusations industry" as they are using media techniques of mantra-like repetition to make their case. And who can blame them given the mantra like repetition and foul coverage JK and others have recieved at the hands of the media ("vile pervert").
You don't admit nuance with this technique as it weakens and confuses your message; so you have to live with silliness at times, but it is a price you pay for your overall goal.
But to me it is as absurd in reality to say that all accusers are "false" as it is to say that all accused are guilty. A measure is needed. We have due process and the criminal justice system.
This is not an observation on the efficacy of the latter institution though.
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Re:Ghislaine Maxwell 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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Jo wrote:
There's an ABC documentary on YouTube called "Truth & Lies: Jeffrey Epstein", split into five short parts. I've watched the first part so far, and it seems that Prince Andrew's accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre wasn't the first person to make accusations, but a woman called Maria Farmer, who made a report to law enforcement in 1996 when she was 25/26 that she had been assaulted by Epstein and Maxwell. So perhaps they aren't all false accusers, though I suspect Roberts Giuffre is one. On the other hand, it's odd that the authorities wouldn't have pursued the 1996 report.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Farmer
I've now watched all of the ABC documentary (it's not long, about 40 minutes, though I suspect might be the first part of a longer documentary) and am now less sceptical. Apart from Maria Farmer, three women were interviewed, who described their experience with Epstein when young teenagers, including what led them to him in the first place. They seemed genuine to me and what they described did not sound far-fetched. The abuse they described was criminal behaviour but less serious than the claims of Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who I suspect is exaggerating. Ghislaine Maxwell wasn't mentioned much, other than by one of the women, who said she'd refer to the young girls, of whom, according to copious memos and diary entries apparently found by the FBI, there had been a steady stream, as "the nubiles". If that's true, and just based on this documentary, I think it would be difficult for her to claim that she didn't know Epstein had an interest in under-age girls. That she had actually recruited young girls herself I find more difficult to conceive, as how would she, as a stranger and adult woman, have approached them, let alone known their ages? One of the women in the documentary said she'd been made aware of the opportunity to make a few hundred dollars (a lot for her and the others, as they were all from impoverished backgrounds, peanuts for Epstein) by giving an old rich guy a half-hour massage by a "popular girl" at school. That sounds more plausible to me, as school pupils would be more aware of how old each other were and, if they knew that Epstein had an age preference, would know who to approach. What happened may have been technically prostitution (even if the abuse described by these women did not involve actual sex), but I can see how young girls wouldn't have known that's what they were letting themselves in for and, if what these women said was correct, it seems unfair to me to describe them as prostitutes. None of the girls claimed to have made themselves available to other men at Epstein's properties or being required to do so. Perhaps such claims stem only from Virginia Roberts Guiffre and/or her copycats.
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Re:Ghislaine Maxwell 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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Ghislaine wouldn't 'say anything to investigators' about Prince Andrew - says her friend, or acquaintance, in the media.
That's very doubtful as nobody yet knows how big this complex matter is going to be - and who will be implicated, on both sides of the pond.
All bets are off - with deals on the table everywhere, for everyone. In typical American fashion - plea bargaining will come into play.
If you testify against B and implcate C - we'll drop the charges that are levied against you...
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