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TOPIC: The Flu jab
#200461
The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
Urged by Deniz years ago (he was 15 years older than me) I started this back in my 60s. It has worked well except in 2017-2018; then I got a bad dose in Morocco only to discover that everyone did (and 50,000 died that season in England & Wales alone). Bed, paracetamol and liquid got shot of it in 4 days.

My hope is that this year there will be a combination Flu and Covid jab.

As we now know, similar symptoms. The only difference in my 2020 (March) attack was a fever at nights.

I repeat - Covid19 is a trivial virus for most people but very dangerous for the vulnerable in which categories I feature twice; elderly & diabetic. I'd add smokers, obese or over weights, anyone with respiratory problems.
 
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#200463
Barney

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
'People at Higher Risk from Coranovirus'


This NHS publication gives the various categories.

And the list is much longer than yours - although your categories are included.


Michael Ryan of WHO continues to give logical and pragmatic advice.

Essentially - use common sense, stay away from crowds and avoid close proximity with others.


 
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#200476
Green Man

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
I'm not taking any vaccine, unless the politicians take it first live on TV and not done in a studio.
 
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#200478
hedda

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Urged by Deniz years ago (he was 15 years older than me) I started this back in my 60s. It has worked well except in 2017-2018; then I got a bad dose in Morocco only to discover that everyone did (and 50,000 died that season in England & Wales alone). Bed, paracetamol and liquid got shot of it in 4 days.

My hope is that this year there will be a combination Flu and Covid jab.

As we now know, similar symptoms. The only difference in my 2020 (March) attack was a fever at nights.

I repeat - Covid19 is a trivial virus for most people but very dangerous for the vulnerable in which categories I feature twice; elderly & diabetic. I'd add smokers, obese or over weights, anyone with respiratory problems.


and young children. Now dying in the USA.
 
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#200479
hedda

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
Covid is a trivial virus? An "I'm Alright Jack comment

Has now killed more people in the USA than Americans who died in WW2.

like saying war is a trivial matter (well probably was for Spurs sufferer Donald Trump)

Not so trivial when it could well destroy the UK economy and put the entire world into Recession.
 
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#200484
Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
Hedda for us vulnerable - Covid19 is not trivial at all; take precautions like crazy; avoid at all costs. But for 99% who get it, it's trivial. Media will want you to think otherwise; do not believe them.
 
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#200490
wyot

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
hedda wrote:
Covid is a trivial virus? An "I'm Alright Jack comment

Not so trivial when it could well destroy the UK economy and put the entire world into Recession.


This will be as a result of the catastrophic and ill-judged response to the virus Hedda.

Not the virus itself.
 
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#200495
Barney

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
wyot wrote:
hedda wrote:
Covid is a trivial virus? An "I'm Alright Jack comment

Not so trivial when it could well destroy the UK economy and put the entire world into Recession.


This will be as a result of the catastrophic and ill-judged response to the virus Hedda.

Not the virus itself.



That's a topsy-turvy argument.

Yes many countries didn't respond well to this totally new virus - which is highly infectious and mutating.

Even now its makeup is unknown, and no vaccine exists.

But the economic cost - by any reasonable logic or application of blame - was caused by the coranovirus itself.

And, so far, this has cost the UK alone - hundreds of billions.


 
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#200499
Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
If the world had dealt with Flu, Barney, in the same way before they got the vaccine, would you also blame flu? No; governments over reacted to media over hype.
Simples.
 
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#200500
Barney

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
There's absolutely no comparison.


Influenza is with us 500 years - and it took a large number of those years to get it under control.

Coronavirus is around only 6 months - and is still a mystery - as to how it infects so quickly, mutates etc.


Blaming those fighting it is perverse - not least because of their impossible task

In combating the unseen and unknown. Trial and error vaccine finding efforts - have been our only strategy.


 
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#200501
wyot

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
Barney wrote:
wyot wrote:
hedda wrote:
Covid is a trivial virus? An "I'm Alright Jack comment

Not so trivial when it could well destroy the UK economy and put the entire world into Recession.


This will be as a result of the catastrophic and ill-judged response to the virus Hedda.

Not the virus itself.


That's a topsy-turvy argument.

But the economic cost - by any reasonable logic or application of blame - was caused by the coranovirus itself.



I'm the one with the flawed logic Barney, when you are applying "blame" and global economic agency to strands of DNA or RNA wrapped in a protein coat...

Your post did make me laugh, but I'm not sure you intended that....!
 
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#200502
Barney

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
Glad you're laughing.

Though I'm confused as to why you think this new virus isn't responsible.


For the worldwide infections and deaths - as well as the economic consequences.

Yes trivial in one way maybe - but life changing for most of the world's citizens.



 
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#200503
Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
The virus is trivial for 95% or more of those catching it. The effects of governments trying to deal with it are NOT trivial and are often lethal. End of discussion, please.
 
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#200505
Barney

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
With respect JK, how can any nation or government deal with a virus/enemy/attacker - that hasn't been encountered before?

Coronavirus could have been anything (and still may be) - that's why Nightingales were created. Stupid you say - a precaution by most.

Many thought the virus emanated from China or North Korea, in an invasive way.


6+ months later - we're still arguing about how to fix a ghost.

And what we might have done...



 
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#200506
Green Man

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
JK2006 wrote:
The virus is trivial for 95% or more of those catching it. The effects of governments trying to deal with it are NOT trivial and are often lethal. End of discussion, please.

Obesity will fuck you up.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8546017...OVID-19-11-days.html
 
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#200513
Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
How governments should deal with an unknown virus should involve common sense and examination of evidence not believing media hype and over reacting. Simples.
 
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#200524
wyot

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
Green Man wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
The virus is trivial for 95% or more of those catching it. The effects of governments trying to deal with it are NOT trivial and are often lethal. End of discussion, please.

Obesity will fuck you up.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8546017...OVID-19-11-days.html


Yep Green Man it does seem to be massively linked.

This story is heart-breaking for the family but human beings can't continue to grow morbidly obese and not expect health implications. These children at 22 had a range of chronic conditions before getting what would probably have passed as "the flu" if they had been a healthy weight and not already a long way to rushing to the grave anyway...

Maybe a positive from this virus is people will take more responsibility for their own health and stop expecting Governments to protect them from every indulgence.

If you saw any other creature on this planet as grotesquely overweight (I know I know I'm not allowed to point this out...) as these poor young people, you could only conclude that mankind had interfered in order to farm them...

As a species: wake up!
 
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#200525
Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
I put it down to superficiality & stupidity. When society tells you "Don't smoke; it will kill you" yet people choose to smoke, and there are 165,000 deaths as a direct result in the UK alone. Yet gullibles choose also to ignore the facts and praise government and NHS when a mere 45,000 died who happen to have Covid19 (and most died from other causes; pneumonia; old age; heart). And to believe the media hype. And to believe government figures and media hype ("Another 3 people died FROM Covid19 today; the world is coming to an end; pay attention stupids").

And the stupids ("how incredible building all those Nightingales in ten days at huge expense" when they are empty and thousands die in care homes without ventilators or proper care) spout the cliches and brainlessly clap the NHS for killing more people per cases than almost every other country in the world.

Gullibles! Who needs 'em?
 
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#200526
wyot

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
JK2006 wrote:


Gullibles! Who needs 'em?


I agree it is stupidity/gullibity. But I also think these are exacerbated and legitimised by "political correctness" that tries to claim everything is equal.

PC has been a massive force for good. Of course a woman who is as able as a man should be paid the same, and someone's skin colour alone should result in no discrimination.

But it has now moved beyond this to claiming there is no difference between X and a Y. Of course some people are smarter than others, for e.g. Of course a male can't change his sex into a female -due to lacking an X chromosone. Be nice if they could, but sorry not everything is a "right" that is achievable.

In terms of weight we are doing no one any good by pretending that any size is equally "valid". Because it is killing many people - biggest killer of our species at the moment.

In terms of criminal justice policy we allow harm to continue if we don't target the communities that have the gang culture problem rather than pretending it is ethnicity-neutral.

I fondly remember the late Clive James on Question Time, gently pointing out to a worthy "leveller" that when it comes to targetting potential terrorists we should discriminate because "most Islamic terrorists don't look like Ena Sharples.."
 
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#200529
hedda

Re:The Flu jab 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
wyot wrote:
hedda wrote:
Covid is a trivial virus? An "I'm Alright Jack comment

Not so trivial when it could well destroy the UK economy and put the entire world into Recession.


This will be as a result of the catastrophic and ill-judged response to the virus Hedda.

Not the virus itself.


the catastrophic responses have come from Boris & Donald.

Basically no response at all and denial.

Prove however those responses caused the deaths. You simply cannot make flippant throwaway comments like that.

The virus killed the people (now 9 children in the USA but maybe they had medical conditions)

How do you tell now half of Britain and the USA what is best when they respond to idiotic conspiracies?

It's a new virus for Pete's sake. There are no rules, there are no perfect ways to handle it (although Trump disbanding Obama's pandemic unit set up after Sars was a big mistake).

So many experts giving simplistic solutions to a virus ( can you imagine when the Spanish Flu hit - doubt people were blaming the Bill Gates of the era).

This is how life works. There is no perfect set-up where we all go about our lives and know how to handle some new deadly event. It's a bit like saying you could control a Hurricane ( mind you Trump thought he could with a Nuclear Bomb..God help us )

And creating solutions in retrospect is nonsense.

The Big Difference between Covid and the (frigging ) Flu is that we now live in wonderful "market economies" where for 40 years various governments have made everything revolve around profit and the success of Corporations is treated as life's most important aspect.

All out the window as a new virus comes along and almost destroys these market economies.

Entire fleets of major airlines are sent to the desert in retirement. The ginormous tourism industry is possibly shattered for all time. 1000s of hotels will go bust.

The tourist shipping industry is desperately trying to park their ludicrously huge Westfield type hideous ships and are pondering on whether they can afford to keep 200 maintenance staff on them (these ships seize up if they are not in use for 3 months) One of the biggest Scanadavian shipping lines has gone bust already.

All in just 6 months. The Market Economy is the problem and no matter how often we point it out it's ignored.

All the responses from major countries have been caused by still worshiping corporations first and not people (when a Fascist style would be dictator like Trump suddenly gives Americans a gift of $1000 you know it's almost Doomsday. And that's a fraction of what he should do)

Enjoy the ride.
 
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