had a few actors as friends but they are so often self-centered shallow people with very complicated egos.

Can't say it about all of course. Like musicians they really are a breed on their own and I guess therein lies the genius of their talent.

But really - Laurence Fox. Never rated him- stiff uninteresting actor who seems to be the same in every role..basically his boring self.

His father is likewise but his uncle..he was fantastic..whatever happened to him?

All Lives Matter: what a horrible nasty selfish thing he perpetuates.


He uses it deliberately to attack the BLM movement & Black Lives Matter slogan which is, for all it's ills and riots gone wrong etc, an attempt to bring a spotlight to how Black Americans have been treated in the USA.

## Do NOT try and downplay US racism. Seen it first hand too many times including among my more "sophisticated" US pals. BLM was bound to happen at some stage.

One could yell at Her Majesty as she goes to lay a wreath at the War Memorial for the WW2 dead.. "why? all lives matter !"

Perhaps at a family funeral .. "all lives matter"

Perhaps a policeman next time attending a home to tell parents their child just died in a terrible car accident or a knifing.. "well it's not that bad really as all lives matter".

Inane, selfish and as Rebecca Front accurately said as she finally pissed off the lightweight neo-Nazi (he'd look good in an SS uniform).."can't they even have their own fucking slogan?"

Broadly agree with you Hedda about the silly response of "all lives matter" and points made above.

I think in the UK hearing "black lives matter" as a slogan rubs a lot of people up the wrong way, because we thought we had passed this and have - rightly - been hearing about equality and diversity for years.

I was taken aback by protests I have seen in this country for the same reason; yes I am sure in reality it is not perfect, but aren't we really past this now?

Who would seriously argues that discrimination on skin colour is acceptable now?

Maybe I am naieve of leafy Surrey...

But the Police brutality in US recently yes I have found appalling; so I am not surprised BLM there.

It's leafy Surrey that bothers me wyot and the Knee on the Neck that police specialise in - more subtle & less in danger of being filmed; it's called assisting false accusers and killing by stress.

"Black" lives matter leaves out other groups who are equally brutalised and discriminated against, so in this sense, I can see his point that "all" lives matter might be more appropriate?

Honey wrote:
"Black" lives matter leaves out other groups who are equally brutalised and discriminated against, so in this sense, I can see his point that "all" lives matter might be more appropriate?

Watch Officer Tatum on YouTube he brings up some fantastic points that the MSM ignore.

I had another Zoom call last with my
(BAME) friends from Texas, whom I worked for in the past. They all despise BLM
movement, media are pro Trump. They support All of the 10 amendments, not forgetting they are very pro gun.

They never had an issue with abiding with the law or the police.

I have been pulled over for having a dodgy break light which I didn't know about prior. I didn't shout or drive away, I just the police do what they had to do.

agree Honey but I think that's the point.

As for Latinos- every Cuban in Florida will vote for Trump.

I have always said WYOT is so clever and smart and possibly as good looking as me.

JK2006 wrote:
It's leafy Surrey that bothers me wyot and the Knee on the Neck that police specialise in - more subtle & less in danger of being filmed; it's called assisting false accusers and killing by stress.

When you say assisting false accusers do you mean as a deliberate strategy or through incompetence and a lack of inquiry and professionalism?

Clearly media plays a pernicious role in celeb cases; both re the accused and any genuine accusers.

I'm talking in general now as I can't possibly know what anyone is "guilty" of or not; just what they have been found guilty of or not.

What conviction or innocence tells us is a lot less and more than most imagine. But what is alarming - particularly with the outraged woke movements - is that innocence (or absence of conviction) as established by the Courts is irrelevant to these people.

The Criminal Justice System is imperfect; but at least it is a system that attempts a nod at objectivity. Rather than treats objectivity and truth as barriers to a new social "justice", which heralds yet another youthfully conceived utopia.

Well we know where every utopia up to now has ended: dystopia.

Let's just be content with imperfections; it is our condition, after all.

wyot wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
It's leafy Surrey that bothers me wyot and the Knee on the Neck that police specialise in - more subtle & less in danger of being filmed; it's called assisting false accusers and killing by stress.

When you say assisting false accusers do you mean as a deliberate strategy or through incompetence and a lack of inquiry and professionalism?

Clearly media plays a pernicious role in celeb cases; both re the accused and any genuine accusers.

I'm talking in general now as I can't possibly know what anyone is "guilty" of or not; just what they have been found guilty of or not.

What conviction or innocence tells us is a lot less and more than most imagine. But what is alarming - particularly with the outraged woke movements - is that innocence (or absence of conviction) as established by the Courts is irrelevant to these people.

The Criminal Justice System is imperfect; but at least it is a system that attempts a nod at objectivity. Rather than treats objectivity and truth as barriers to a new social "justice", which heralds yet another youthfully conceived utopia.

Well we know where every utopia up to now has ended: dystopia.

Let's just be content with imperfections; it is our condition, after all.


I think the police are "accidentally" trained to interfere, because they are taught to re-frame what you tell them as a witness so that it fits the standard format, even if it turns it into bullshit.

(every single time I have made a statement I have had to go over and over it until they write down what I actually said. I have even lost patience and grabbed the pen and done it myself!)

But this gives them a false impression of their own importance, and opens the floodgates for the nastier types.
I think this principal carries on and on, and some will become very dangerous.

I suspect Laurence Fox’s motives and actions might come from a (possibly unconscious) fear that the group he is widely identified in the media as belonging to, that is, “white privileged male”, could become another hook of society's unwanted, unconscious projections.

Honey wrote:
[quote]wyot wrote:


I think the police are "accidentally" trained to interfere, because they are taught to re-frame what you tell them as a witness so that it fits the standard format, even if it turns it into bullshit.


Are they really Honey? But don't you have to sign a witness statement; so the content control is ultimately with the witness? If a copper tried to re frame my words, they would be spending a long time on re-drafts before they got a signature....

wyot wrote:
[quote]Honey wrote:
wyot wrote:


I think the police are "accidentally" trained to interfere, because they are taught to re-frame what you tell them as a witness so that it fits the standard format, even if it turns it into bullshit.


Are they really Honey? But don't you have to sign a witness statement; so the content control is ultimately with the witness? If a copper tried to re frame my words, they would be spending a long time on re-drafts before they got a signature....

I suppose a lot of people either aren't as picky or don't want to be bother and sign it regardless.

We had a frustrating experience a couple of years ago when the whole street witnessed an "incident" and the young policeman taking the statements told us ALL that we were mistaken about the time by a whole hour, and his reason for being so sure of this was that they had seen it recorded with a time stamp on somebody's CCTV around the time the clocks went back!

I suspect this Policeman is now in charge of murder enquiries

Well said, hedda. I agree. I also find Laurence Fox an incredibly wooden actor and have never got into "Lewis" because he's just so dull. But I thought his father James (says Wikipedia) was a decent enough actor, e.g. in "The Servant". Edward Fox strikes me as the same in everything he does.