JK2006 wrote:
Also "Leave the stage"????? Never! Trump adores being famous. It's his most important passion.

Leave the "presidential stage". I know he will always need a stage or die!
I promise to tackle "knickers" today

JK you are writing as though people and the media will actually be interested in what Donald Trump has to say.

They never were before he became president. New York tabloids and magazine publishing glowing tales about Trump didn't set the world on fire.

His real success came as the host of a Reality TV show and all his millions of supporters ( he did show the world just how many Hicks & Hill Billies there are in the USA) really believed the nonsense.

Ex-presidents are old news. Up until the ginormous vote Biden & Trump got in 2020, Barack Obama received the largest ever US vote and was in for 8 years,

Yet he still isn't really of much interest to Americans now he's gone. He did sell millions of his latest book but Obama is unique in that he is intelligent, was the first Black president and can string a sentence together.

And Obama who was a winner and not a loser, is still young and has an interesting wife and children while the Trump family are, if my 2 very good Republican NYC pals are correct, now persona non grata and Melania was a cardboard cut-out wife no-one took interest in before and doubtful will again as she's never said an interesting thing in her life except when she ripped off Michelle Obama's speech.

Imagine Trump trying to publish a memoir? What would he write about? The non-existent wall, the non-existent steel industry he was going to revive, his non existent fabulous new health care system?
# Actually those maroons ( Mae West's word for her moronic fans) would probably buy an empty book with Trump's name on it.

And..he's too frigging old. Once the trappings of the White House have gone, once Airforce One and Marine One are no longer his playthings to carry him to his rallies, I predict he will go downhill rapidly.
Perhaps endless golf games will keep him going.

How many British ex-Prime Minsters are interviewed and have their views sought out?. None. They are of no interest to the media and the public. Theresa May? only a year ago but is never asked for an interview.

Trump has nothing to offer. His shtick has been to shamelessly rabbit on for hours at rallies how fabulous he is. But it's boring and he's a loser. Who would seek out his view on a world event? No-one because he has none. He doesn't even have knowledge of US events unless someone tells him what to say. All that's gone.

For Pete's sake JK, you are in show business. You know people are not interested in last year's cabaret act.

I reckon you are deliberately being a contrarian.

Fair enough Hedda. Neither of us are Trump fans. You feel he will disappear without trace. I suspect he will continue to provide headlines and stories because he's "good copy" which is all that matters to media. And I think media is totally all powerful these days. Let's see how things develop between now and 2024.

Alison wrote:
Really I think some posters should declare whether they've ever been in America - before pontificating on here; I lived there for years.

A few hundred of them - stoned and smiling - entered a virtually unguarded building, after a few unfortunate words by an outgoing and inarticulate president.

This thread has not been about the backgrounds or motivations of the protesters. You are the only one banging on about this. It has been about Trump and the media.

You are arguing with yourself but don't realise it.

And you give your own bloody credentials to post on any subject first please.

What would yours be for Covid I wonder? "I have sat in front of my TV and been told it is really scary by the BBC?"

PS I don't even believe that you lived for years in America.

JK2006 wrote:
Fair enough Hedda. Neither of us are Trump fans. You feel he will disappear without trace. I suspect he will continue to provide headlines and stories because he's "good copy" which is all that matters to media. And I think media is totally all powerful these days. Let's see how things develop between now and 2024.


I seriously doubt that because basically..he's boring. He has nothing to contribute. He is ignorant of world events and ignorant of the country he is president of (for a few more days).

I cannot imagine any news outlet (perhaps Fox..maybe) seeking him out for his opinion. Others like Obama can talk sensibly with intelligence but Clinton rarely gets a look in and Bush Jnr is ignored (knows even less than Trump)

His rallies during the 2015 campaign got huge press but 2020 not so much because each rally is a repeat of the last one..Trump again talking for 2 hours about how wonderful he is...but never anything of substance.

Likewise his rallies while he was president tapered off press wise because in the end..they were like a concert with the same show night after night..exciting if it's your first time..weary for the media who couldn't wring a story out of them when they've been to 20.

Trump talks about himself. It may excite the proles and Trailer Trash (nasty I know but they are..witness the absolute morons who invaded the Capitol posting with glee the evidence of their crimes all over social media..now facing minimum 10 year sentence..policy introduced by Trump)

I know you write off the Capitol invasion JK & the media's obsession with it, but it was the final nail in the coffin of the Trump Bandwagon.

Apart from a cop being murdered..this was no ordinary "riot"..it was an attack on the seat of government. If protestors invaded Westminster, the White House, No 10 the retribution would be the same and as swift as will happen with the Capitol shindig.

And 2 things are happening here: on the far right websites where Trumpets go for their fix..they are livid about Trump's "conciliatory" speech. (Apart from the nutters who think it was a Trump clone)

And the vision of Trump partying & grinning along with his gormless family (except sensible Melania) as they watched TV monitors beaming live action of the Insurrection..has absolutely repulsed the Republican establishment.

Why? Because their preferred candidate for the 2024 election, VP Mike Pence was in mortal danger. Not only that..while Pence was whisked away to safety along with his family, Trump didn't make one single phone call to see if he was OK.

The Republican Party used Trump for power and went along with all his nuttiness but his usefulness has gone, never to be retained.
Trump thought he was the Republican Party.

The Trailer Trash morons will turn on him eventually because he has capitulated ( while dozens of "patriots" will do serious jail time because of him) and those behind the scenes know he is electoral poison..after all..in 2 elections he lost the popular vote.

Donald Trump is a classic psychopath who lives in the moment and tells any porky for instant advantage but he's taken the same old path so many psychos do..leaving a trail of destruction behind him with devastated supporters and even worse..destroyed lives of their friends. (it's why shrinks say "run a mile" from a psychopath..there is no winning)

Maybe he should become a Las Vegas Lounge Act where he can talk about himself for 2 hours.

Wyot wrote:
Alison wrote:
Really I think some posters should declare whether they've ever been in America - before pontificating on here; I lived there for years.

A few hundred of them - stoned and smiling - entered a virtually unguarded building, after a few unfortunate words by an outgoing and inarticulate president.

This thread has not been about the backgrounds or motivations of the protesters. You are the only one banging on about this. It has been about Trump and the media.

You are arguing with yourself but don't realise it.

And you give your own bloody credentials to post on any subject first please.

What would yours be for Covid I wonder? "I have sat in front of my TV and been told it is really scary by the BBC?"

PS I don't even believe that you lived for years in America.

Barney has definitely mentioned working and/or living in America before, but I don't know why it would make him an expert, and you not?

Alison wrote:
Really I think some posters should declare whether they've ever been in America - before pontificating on here; I lived there for years.

The Hill billes/drop-outs are everywhere in the US, ready to jump on any publicity opportunity - they're anti-everything, and support anybody.

A few hundred of them - stoned and smiling - entered a virtually unguarded building, after a few unfortunate words by an outgoing and inarticulate president.

You'd be forgiven for thinking - from some posters - that the US had been almost obliterated by demented drones, of foreign origin.

What utter trash you talk Barney.

Hillbillies is actually an offensive term to the Appalachians, whom not always white or dropouts. Would you go up to a black person and call them the N word ?


The best years of my life has been in USA, my daughters are there, best friends who are very liberal are there. Despite it’s issues USA is the finest country.

JK2006 wrote:
So Trump starts to do exactly what I predicted above; he is conceding defeat, is condemning those who broke the law, is preparing to welcome and (I suspect) praise Biden.

DT is not playing ball JK:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-55593068

Last time a sitting president refused to attend the inauguration of his successor was in 1869. Hardly "welcoming".

I think your predictions make sense from a media perspective if The Don was "on scipt" and a rational operator, but don't put sufficient weight on the sociopathic levels of narcicism the world is dealing with.

Which is why Nancy Pelosi yesterday had meetings with the military chiefs to review contingencies if DT tries to launch a nuclear strike, or use the military in the next few days.

I think I've been about 12 times when I lived in London. Several to work for a few short weeks but I lived in NYC for 18 months at age 19 before I took a Greyhound bus to LA.. the most amazing trip..getting off the bus for a day or two

Such an extraordinary country with so many various styles of countryside (my favourite was New Mexico with those table top mountains you used to see in Westerns)

Met so many different and extremely friendly types of people on the way.

Only hick-up was getting off the bus in Texas at a pit stop.. like a scene out of Easy Rider. Me with shoulder length hair and my then girlfriend in her tye-dye kaftan (only bought for traveling). The looks we got were scary and like a movie, a cop in the cafe walked outside as we left staring at us and basically intimidated us to get back on the bus.

Yet..I've met the most wonderful people from Texas and the South. Warm and friendly with that wonderful accent.

## As I thought (did I predict it?) new vision is coming out every day of the Capitol siege and it's far from a friendly bunch of hicks & Trump supporters attending a friendly hoe down.

Groups of thuggish goons chanting "lynch Pence" (with a noose and scaffold) and screaming they wanted to drag out Pence along with other Republic Senators & Congressmen who they thought were "traitors" to Trump, and lynch them in the nearby trees.

Masked men with bundles of police zip ties used as handcuffs, a truck with live ammunition and guns (banned in DC) and Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs left behind, police screaming for help and running in fear of their lives.

If anyone doesn't think the retribution will be swift, wide and fierce some they are dreaming.

I'm sure the Capitol is riddled with CCTV and I bet we haven't seen anything yet as they won't release the really bad stuff just now. So far it's been rioters mobile phone footage where total nutcases have uploaded footage of themselves committing serious crimes.

As many have pointed out: foreign terrorists could have been among the throng as the event was publicized on the internet and well organized. With laptops being stolen..Nancy Pelosi's was one- who knows what State Secrets are now in the hands of those who intend harm?

As for Donald Trump- vision of him, first inciting the mob to march on the Capital and declare him president & stating he would lead them, and then laughing and partying as he watched the mob attack..a mob intent on executing Senators and Congressmen..well that's the end of Trump.

He cannot survive this and there are about 100 Republic Congressmen and Senators who will also pay a dear political price for encouraging the riot. Really the only person who comes out positively is Mike Pence..surely a candidate for the '24 election.

And ignored in all this was the election of 2 Georgia Democratic Senators which hands full victory to Joe Biden and future president Kamala Harris.

The election of those 2 Senators is directly down to Donald Trump and I'd hate to think of what the recriminations will be.

Donald Trump has blown it big time yet he could have handled his loss so differently.

Reliable Reports from White House personnel say Trump is terrified of what is to come and ranting like King George.

I think I pity him. A little bit.

Wyot wrote:
You are the only one banging on

You are arguing with yourself

you give your own bloody credentials

you lived for years in America


Why not type about Trump, and the subject in hand?

Alison wrote:
Wyot wrote:
You are the only one banging on

You are arguing with yourself

you give your own bloody credentials

you lived for years in America


Why not type about Trump, and the subject in hand?

Because - unlike you Alison - I have not lived for many years in the US and so lack the credentials to "pontificate" (as you put it yesterday) on such matters.

Wyot wrote:
Alison wrote:
Wyot wrote:
You are the only one banging on

You are arguing with yourself

you give your own bloody credentials

you lived for years in America


Why not type about Trump, and the subject in hand?

Because - unlike you Alison - I have not lived for many years in the US and so lack the credentials to "pontificate" (as you put it yesterday) on such matters.

The only bigot on here is Barney.

Texas and Alabama are my favourite states - worst is Oregon and California.

New Mexico certainly has a vibe and energy - NYC has energy but what a shithole.

Green Man wrote:


really Green Man, I have no idea who is talking in that video but he's very disingenuous in the way he flippantly dismisses Donald Trump's role in the Insurrection.

And don't any of these Trumpets understand how Capitalism works? So perplexing..the claim Biden & the Democrats are "communists" when the current Democratic Party has for 30 years been an old style Republican Party and filled the void the Republican Party left after it veered to the far right under Ronald Reagan (another 'front man")

If they looked at Richard Nixon's policies they would think he was a Communist, FDR was a Socialist on steroids and Dwight Eisenhower a raving Marxist.

It's why Trump's initial speech to the eventual rioters should be listened to in full. Trump over and over tells the crowd they must march on The Capitol to "save America" and he will lead them (he didn't)

Time and time again he repeats the falsehood that the election was stolen and there was massive fraud, he won by a landslide and those in The Capitol are "traitors" (Mike Pence who they brought a fully working scaffold for). "Only they" could Save America. It was their duty.

This was so similar to a certain Austrian gentleman who in his 1930s speeches (the English translations can be read) where he exhorts the crowds that they must help "Save Germany" and while he never spells it out exactly, but the then current day George Soros' will "pay a price" for their manipulations of the international currency markets etc etc and so on.

His horrendously boring auto-biography goes on in similar fashion, moaning on, chapter after chapter ( God had he had his funny bone removed at birth?)..endless repeats of who the villains are and how something must be done about it but never..did that Austrian say exactly what.

No matter, the audience and underlings got the message.

While Trump never actually says there should be violence, he urged them on to Save America. It's the oldest trick in the book.

And then after the melee died down he told those he exhorted to storm the Capitol they should pay a severe price and they were rogues of the First Order, even though he told them not long ago he "loved them".

Always difficult to prove of course that Donald Trump wanted violence but in the history of American politics people have been hung for a lot less (and Mike Pence might have been that day )

As for Blue Lives Matter..Trump has not onCe mentioned the murdered policeman or phoned his family to commiserate and apparently has now refused to allow flags to be flown at half mast.

Wonder how that's going down with his police supporters?

Excellent breakdown of how Trump incited the mobs and the violence Hedda. It is exactly what he intended.

And the comparison to the Austrian is looking less hyperbolic by the day. This orange thug will use whatever means he can. Thankfully he is not in 1938 Germany and is being consigned to history.

It is his legacy that we should be concerned about; future even nastier pieces of shit arriving to fill the Trump shaped mould he has left.

hedda wrote:
Green Man wrote:


really Green Man, I have no idea who is talking in that video but he's very disingenuous in the way he flippantly dismisses Donald Trump's role in the Insurrection.

And don't any of these Trumpets understand how Capitalism works? So perplexing..the claim Biden & the Democrats are "communists" when the current Democratic Party has for 30 years been an old style Republican Party and filled the void the Republican Party left after it veered to the far right under Ronald Reagan (another 'front man")

If they looked at Richard Nixon's policies they would think he was a Communist, FDR was a Socialist on steroids and Dwight Eisenhower a raving Marxist.

It's why Trump's initial speech to the eventual rioters should be listened to in full. Trump over and over tells the crowd they must march on The Capitol to "save America" and he will lead them (he didn't)

Time and time again he repeats the falsehood that the election was stolen and there was massive fraud, he won by a landslide and those in The Capitol are "traitors" (Mike Pence who they brought a fully working scaffold for). "Only they" could Save America. It was their duty.

This was so similar to a certain Austrian gentleman who in his 1930s speeches (the English translations can be read) where he exhorts the crowds that they must help "Save Germany" and while he never spells it out exactly, but the then current day George Soros' will "pay a price" for their manipulations of the international currency markets etc etc and so on.

His horrendously boring auto-biography goes on in similar fashion, moaning on, chapter after chapter ( God had he had his funny bone removed at birth?)..endless repeats of who the villains are and how something must be done about it but never..did that Austrian say exactly what.

No matter, the audience and underlings got the message.

While Trump never actually says there should be violence, he urged them on to Save America. It's the oldest trick in the book.

And then after the melee died down he told those he exhorted to storm the Capitol they should pay a severe price and they were rogues of the First Order, even though he told them not long ago he "loved them".

Always difficult to prove of course that Donald Trump wanted violence but in the history of American politics people have been hung for a lot less (and Mike Pence might have been that day )

As for Blue Lives Matter..Trump has not onCe mentioned the murdered policeman or phoned his family to commiserate and apparently has now refused to allow flags to be flown at half mast.

Wonder how that's going down with his police supporters?

What utter trash from you Hedda.

I read Mein Kampf years ago and Yes it’s diabolical boring along with being whiny.

Green Man wrote:
hedda wrote:



What utter trash from you Hedda.

I read Mein Kampf years ago and Yes it’s diabolical boring along with being whiny.

could well be Green Man but I still don't know who that bloke was pontificating in the video and why he should be taken notice of.

hedda wrote:
Green Man wrote:
hedda wrote:



What utter trash from you Hedda.

I read Mein Kampf years ago and Yes it’s diabolical boring along with being whiny.

could well be Green Man but I still don't know who that bloke was pontificating in the video and why he should be taken notice of.

So far everything that Mark Dice has published has come true - read his books.

Green Man wrote:
hedda wrote:
Green Man wrote:
hedda wrote:



What utter trash from you Hedda.

I read Mein Kampf years ago and Yes it’s diabolical boring along with being whiny.

could well be Green Man but I still don't know who that bloke was pontificating in the video and why he should be taken notice of.

So far everything that Mark Dice has published has come true - read his books.

you obviously believe it has.

hedda wrote:
Green Man wrote:
hedda wrote:
Green Man wrote:
hedda wrote:



What utter trash from you Hedda.

I read Mein Kampf years ago and Yes it’s diabolical boring along with being whiny.

could well be Green Man but I still don't know who that bloke was pontificating in the video and why he should be taken notice of.

So far everything that Mark Dice has published has come true - read his books.

you obviously believe it has.

Debunk me then Hedda.