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TOPIC: Pfizer vs Oxford
#207248
Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
I'm sorry but all those saying it's the EU hating the UK over the suspension of the OxfordAZ vaccine; now Canada has joined in; this is nothing to do with politics. There are doubts about the approval system. Did we go too fast? Is this another case of Brits allowing media to run everything (we needed a Brits are first and fab story)? I'm glad I've had the Pfizer.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56580728
 
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#207251
Wyot

Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
There is no evidence AZ causes the blood clots. Blood clots will occur naturally in a demographic of millions given the vaccine. I think the World is losing the ability to judge risk; or the maturity to accept death.
 
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#207252
Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Agree with all that but it struck me as astonishing they didn't test AstraZ on anyone over 65 - surely the main vulnerable group? When then seen in the light of blood clots and seeing countries like Canada, Germany, France backing away - it implies the UK cleared it earlier than they should have done. Why? Pressure from government and, obviously, media. Wouldn't worry me but as this trivial virus had so many vaccines found so swiftly, I'm glad I got Pfizer.
 
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#207253
Wyot

Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Yes I'm sure they rushed it through, which is a little unsettling. But the best brains on it belive is it is fine and highly effective so I wish the media would just back off it so we can get back to normal. Not as if they haven't done enough damage already!
 
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#207255
Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Correct me if I'm wrong - the blood clot problems were only amongst younger females who are hardly affected by Covid anyway (despite media hype) so those who know reckon the risk is not worth taking for those under 60 whereas the benefits far outweigh any risks for the over 60s.

Just more proof that the reality of Covid is far different from the media hype. Under 60s do not need protecting. It's a trivial virus to most of them (except fatties and smokers).
 
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#207256
Wyot

Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Yes my understanding is it is middle aged females who (if they are) are at more risk; albeit a risk not worth worrying about as a pootle around the M25 is far more likely to do harm, and then not very likely. Oh we have got ourselves in such a collective tizz about it all haven't we!
 
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Honey

Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
It seems daft to me to worry about a possible dangerfrom blood clots instead of the actual danger from covid, especially as the chance of clots is greater from the contraceptive pill, HRT, and smoking.
 
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#207265
Wyot

Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Honey wrote:
It seems daft to me to worry about a possible dangerfrom blood clots instead of the actual danger from covid, especially as the chance of clots is greater from the contraceptive pill, HRT, and smoking.

I do agree Honey that focusing on one possible cause of blood clotting alone makes no sense. But that is Covid isn't it? Every other way of dying is now less important. It won't surprise you to learn that I also seems daft to me to worry about the actual danger from covid given the tiny percentage killed by it, as the dangers from smoking, lack of exercise & poor diet are greater.
 
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Honey

Re:Pfizer vs Oxford 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Wyot wrote:
Honey wrote:
It seems daft to me to worry about a possible dangerfrom blood clots instead of the actual danger from covid, especially as the chance of clots is greater from the contraceptive pill, HRT, and smoking.

I do agree Honey that focusing on one possible cause of blood clotting alone makes no sense. But that is Covid isn't it? Every other way of dying is now less important. It won't surprise you to learn that I also seems daft to me to worry about the actual danger from covid given the tiny percentage killed by it, as the dangers from smoking, lack of exercise & poor diet are greater.


We are going by figures collected while people are locked up/hiding away/separated by ropes, arrows on the floor, and masks/ generally being careful.

I don't know how many it would kill in normal circumstances with everyone leading normal lives, but obviously a lot more, and yes, opportunities for better health must be made available for all.
 
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