Such an awful incident in Plymouth; one victim was a 3 year old girl along with her Dad.

The killer was a frustrated virgin.

www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www...p_tf=From%20%251%24s

Boris now asking that his licence be investigated? Perhaps we should screen for sexual contentment levels Boris?

For goodness sake just ban the bloody things before we end up as screwed up on the issue as the US.

Percy wrote:
www.gov.uk/government/news/ban-on-knives...ons-comes-into-force

Just tinkering so far as guns go Percy; why does any civilian need to own a gun of any type? To shoot rats!? Just ban them.

Just awful. Poor people to have to run across this individual. Wonder why on earth he needed a shotgun licence. Presumably to try to feel less of a loser wouldn't be accepted as a good reason.

Davison owned a shotgun and held a shotgun licence, both of which were taken from him in December 2020 after he was accused of assault.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-58202760

A shotgun certificate will not be given or renewed if the chief officer of police has a reason that you should not be allowed to have a shotgun under the Firearms Act. Or if they do not think you have a good reason to have, buy or acquire a shotgun.

www.gov.uk/shotgun-and-firearm-certificates

Shotguns don't seem to be mentioned in Percy's link, perhaps because there are legitimate reasons to own them (e.g. farmers).

Jo wrote:
Just awful. Poor people to have to run across this individual. Wonder why on earth he needed a shotgun licence. Presumably to try to feel less of a loser wouldn't be accepted as a good reason.

Davison owned a shotgun and held a shotgun licence, both of which were taken from him in December 2020 after he was accused of assault.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-58202760

A shotgun certificate will not be given or renewed if the chief officer of police has a reason that you should not be allowed to have a shotgun under the Firearms Act. Or if they do not think you have a good reason to have, buy or acquire a shotgun.

www.gov.uk/shotgun-and-firearm-certificates

Shotguns don't seem to be mentioned in Percy's link, perhaps because there are legitimate reasons to own them (e.g. farmers).

I know there may be a tiny % of legit reasons to own one, but I struggle to see why an unemployed virgin would require one. The problem is that the legislation works on the basis of trying to define reasons to exclude anyone from owning one (as if it is an inalienable human right) rather than asking the real question: why should anyone be permitted to keep one in the first place? You need types of knives for practical reasons other than settling a county lines drug debt - a shotgun has no use at all, other than to kill.

Invariably, when gun laws are discussed, the US comes up, as the right to bear arms is a fundamental part of their constitution.

Just as habeas corpus (which we gave to the US) is to ours. To try to expunge either from either constitution would be unthinkable.

Ask any farmer in a remote land holding in Idaho (or Ayrshire, for that matter) when he sees marauding armed thugs coming to visit his young family.

Second only to Japan, I believe, we have the toughest firearms legislation - following the events at Dunblaine and Hungerford. And it's about the right balance.

Wyot wrote:
Percy wrote:
www.gov.uk/government/news/ban-on-knives...ons-comes-into-force

Just tinkering so far as guns go Percy; why does any civilian need to own a gun of any type? To shoot rats!? Just ban them.

For hunting, they are great tools for farmers. Guns are fun if you use them correctly.

Percy wrote:


Ask any farmer in a remote land holding in Idaho (or Ayrshire, for that matter) when he sees marauding armed thugs coming to visit his young family.


I love a good Western as much as the next man; but they are set in the 19th century you know?

Wyot wrote:
[quote]Percy wrote:


Ask any farmer in a remote land holding in Idaho (or Ayrshire, for that matter) when he sees marauding armed thugs coming to visit his young family.


I love a good Western as much as the next man; but they are set in the 19th century you know?[/quote

I agree Percy. Rural crime is thriving in certain parts of the UK, police are nowhere to been and farmers can't patrol their land all the time.

Crime on farmers and in rural areas are normally done by the travelling communities. Who don't care about the police; because the police will never enter a traveller site unless they need to arrest someone for rape or murder (because the police will be in groups).

If your John Deere is stolen and taken to a site the police will say to you "Tell the insurance company." Insurance companies don't pay out all the time to farmers now who have had machinery stolen.

At least in Texas you can kill an intruder in your home and you don't chase the intruder down the street then open fire. No jury will in Texas will send a homeowner to prison for protecting his or her home and themselves.

Castle doctrine works wonder in America especially in Texas. (How I miss going there - maybe next year)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49355814.amp

oakwoodtraining.co.uk/tony-martin-found-guilty/


This Norfolk incident illustrates the police indifference to rural crime.

Hopefully guns will just be a deterrent, with a shot scaring off the intrudors.

Like Trident does. Never used, in anger - just there, just in case.

Percy wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49355814.amp

oakwoodtraining.co.uk/tony-martin-found-guilty/


This Norfolk incident illustrates the police indifference to rural crime.

Hopefully guns will just be a deterrent, with a shot scaring off the intrudors.

Like Trident does. Never used, in anger - just there, just in case.

And get incels away from them.

Green Man wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Percy wrote:


Ask any farmer in a remote land holding in Idaho (or Ayrshire, for that matter) when he sees marauding armed thugs coming to visit his young family.


I love a good Western as much as the next man; but they are set in the 19th century you know?[/quote

I agree Percy. Rural crime is thriving in certain parts of the UK, police are nowhere to been and farmers can't patrol their land all the time.

Crime on farmers and in rural areas are normally done by the travelling communities. Who don't care about the police; because the police will never enter a traveller site unless they need to arrest someone for rape or murder (because the police will be in groups).

If your John Deere is stolen and taken to a site the police will say to you "Tell the insurance company." Insurance companies don't pay out all the time to farmers now who have had machinery stolen.

At least in Texas you can kill an intruder in your home and you don't chase the intruder down the street then open fire. No jury will in Texas will send a homeowner to prison for protecting his or her home and themselves.

Castle doctrine works wonder in America especially in Texas. (How I miss going there - maybe next year)[/quote]

How? You are not vaccinated. Are you going by air balloon?

Green Man wrote:
Percy wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49355814.amp

oakwoodtraining.co.uk/tony-martin-found-guilty/


This Norfolk incident illustrates the police indifference to rural crime.

Hopefully guns will just be a deterrent, with a shot scaring off the intrudors.

Like Trident does. Never used, in anger - just there, just in case.

And get incels away from them.

Can we call incels by the correct medical term, please? It is "Misogynistic Arseholes".

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Percy wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49355814.amp

oakwoodtraining.co.uk/tony-martin-found-guilty/


This Norfolk incident illustrates the police indifference to rural crime.

Hopefully guns will just be a deterrent, with a shot scaring off the intrudors.

Like Trident does. Never used, in anger - just there, just in case.

And get incels away from them.

Can we call incels by the correct medical term, please? It is "Misogynistic Arseholes".

We have to polite according to the media. But "Misogynistic Arseholes" is the correct term. Even Joe Biden is polite to say "Tallybon" instead of Taliban.



Also the Taliban have pretty conquered their goal only Kabul to go.

as an Indian mystic once said (or words to this effect):

the sole reason for a gun is that it must be fired and the sole reason is that it must kill so inevitably..every gun will be fired one day !

profound or what !

I've never seen a gun in the USA but it now terrifies me there are so many.

## as a kid in the army Cadets I was given a 303 rifle (1931)..Christ it was heavy (no ammunition)and once had to dive to the ground with this frigging great weapon..nearly broke my arm.

I wondered "WTF am I doing in this ridiculous uniform that doesn't fit and a bloody great rifle" but shortly after I was frog marched out of the Cadets because my hair was too long.

When I see so Americans carry guns. I feel safe I am more worried of person without a gun.

hedda wrote:
as an Indian mystic once said (or words to this effect):

the sole reason for a gun is that it must be fired and the sole reason is that it must kill so inevitably..every gun will be fired one day !

profound or what !

I've never seen a gun in the USA but it now terrifies me there are so many.

## as a kid in the army Cadets I was given a 303 rifle (1931)..Christ it was heavy (no ammunition)and once had to dive to the ground with this frigging great weapon..nearly broke my arm.

I wondered "WTF am I doing in this ridiculous uniform that doesn't fit and a bloody great rifle" but shortly after I was frog marched out of the Cadets because my hair was too long.

Your Indian mystic is unaware of competitive shooting, then?

Green Man wrote:
When I see so Americans carry guns. I feel safe I am more worried of person without a gun.

I get that the guns can protect against loonies GM but how do you tell when one of the ones with a gun is a loonie too!

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
When I see so Americans carry guns. I feel safe I am more worried of person without a gun.

I get that the guns can protect against loonies GM but how do you tell when one of the ones with a gun is a loonie too!


It's the loonies are are problems not the guns.