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#215139
Wyot

Disgraceful Australia 3 Weeks ago  
Leads the world in a new low:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59283128

Medical apartheid depending on vaccination status. What next? Refusal of medical treatment? Sterilisation? Easiest to maybe move the unvaccinated into specific areas in the city surely?

It's a fucking cold virus with a 99% survival rate; grow up & learn to live with it you bloody fascists.
 
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#215143
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 3 Weeks ago  
This should of course read "Disgraceful Austria"; but to be fair Australia is not far behind the totalitarian curve:

amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v...-daniel-andrews-says

We give up our freedoms at great peril.
 
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#215144
Green Man

Re:Disgraceful Australia 3 Weeks ago  
Wyot wrote:
Leads the world in a new low:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59283128

Medical apartheid depending on vaccination status. What next? Refusal of medical treatment? Sterilisation? Easiest to maybe move the unvaccinated into specific areas in the city surely?

It's a fucking cold virus with a 99% survival rate; grow up & learn to live with it you bloody fascists.


Told you !
 
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#215149
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 3 Weeks ago  
Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Leads the world in a new low:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59283128

Medical apartheid depending on vaccination status. What next? Refusal of medical treatment? Sterilisation? Easiest to maybe move the unvaccinated into specific areas in the city surely?

It's a fucking cold virus with a 99% survival rate; grow up & learn to live with it you bloody fascists.


Told you !


We've never disagreed on the dangers of the reaction to Covid GM; but do still disagree on whether there is a co-ordinated plan by the powerful. I don't believe there is.

What I see is organic growth of totalitarian powers as politicians scramble to have the lowest Covid death rates, either for their careers or - I am sure - in some cases because they believe they are doing the right thing.

They have seen what people will put up with when frightened. They know how easy it is to frighten people into behaving how they want. Our Gov & SAGE were genuinely surprised at how obedient we were.

But no conspiracy for me. However, I don't suppose it matters overly whether it was planned or organically arose; a lot of shit is coming to pass, and it is getting scary to all but the unthinking credulous - i.e, the majority.
 
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#215151
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 3 Weeks ago  
I'm not sure if this link will work in here (never been sure how to post videos) but I hope it does as it shows protests in Austria at alienating 2 million people from their basic human rights:

twitter.com/i/status/1459985685973282820

There are similar scenes from the Netherlands and from Naples re vaccine passports.

But our media is not reporting it?

Why not?

Is there a bigger story currently than the steady rise of world-wide totalitarianism?
 
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#215153
hedda

Re:Disgraceful Australia 3 Weeks ago  
Freudian slip WYOT?

Australia is about 90% vaccinated to date so the Shepple have won this fight. We've all got the Bill Gates chip.

Still a bit puzzled as to why Covid deaths are so few in Oz when much smaller populated countries have higher death rates.

Must be the "tyranny of distance" which for once has been a plus. Austria has a fairly large population in a pretty small country.

You'll be pleased though WYOT the fight goes on in Melbourne as a few 1000 antivaxxers rallied yesterday with their Donald Trump flags and even touchingly brought along three gallows and nooses with threats to lynch the premier.

## the vile Stalin was so spot on with his alleged quote.."one death is a tragedy a thousand is a statistic" with US Covid deaths nearly 750,000 and seemingly not that newsworthy any more.
 
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#215159
Green Man

Re:Disgraceful Australia 3 Weeks ago  
Wrong doses now.

 
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#215171
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
hedda wrote:
Freudian slip WYOT?

You'll be pleased though WYOT the fight goes on in Melbourne as a few 1000 antivaxxers rallied yesterday with their Donald Trump flags and even touchingly brought along three gallows and nooses with threats to lynch the premier.

## the vile Stalin was so spot on with his alleged quote.."one death is a tragedy a thousand is a statistic" (


I might be pleased if I was an antivaxxer Hedda but I am a pro vaxxer and always have been.

Yes Covid is an illness that can kill. Like a lot of things; all of which have statistics and lives attached to them.

Unlike Stalin I don't wish anyone harm from any of them; which as you (I think unintentionally!) seem to link me with a despotic, paranoid mass murderer I thought I would take the opportunity to clear up....

 
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#215223
hedda

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 5 Days ago  
I wasn't "linking" you with Stalin, I was making a general comment on how 3 quarters of a million Americans have died in 2 years and it seems totally non newsworthy.

Nearly twice the number who died during WW2 in a terrible war

So odd.
 
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#215244
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 5 Days ago  
hedda wrote:
I wasn't "linking" you with Stalin, I was making a general comment on how 3 quarters of a million Americans have died in 2 years and it seems totally non newsworthy.


No I know you weren't Hedda was being playful - should have added more emojis

I know what you mean and that Stalin quote does have resonsance at the moment; the numbers have become so high now that it feels like we are innured to it and the media has moved on from the daily death tolls.

We disagree on what those figures tell us - I know - but I will leave that alone.
 
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#215261
Peter

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 5 Days ago  
A few links ...

... referencing the stats from the US VAERS (vaccine adverse events reporting system) maintained by the CDC: stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-vaers-analysis-reveals-hundreds

... “Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?” youtu.be/x_wTYyjUkqo

... Is humanity at a turning point? Dan Astin Gregory:

... medical apartheid in Lithuania: thewhiterose.uk/lithuania-life-under-passports/

And I live about 30km from the Austrian border; doubtless I am fated to become untermensch too before this winter is out.
 
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#215281
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
Peter wrote:
A few links ...

... referencing the stats from the US VAERS (vaccine adverse events reporting system) maintained by the CDC: stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-vaers-analysis-reveals-hundreds

... “Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?” youtu.be/x_wTYyjUkqo

... Is humanity at a turning point? Dan Astin Gregory:

... medical apartheid in Lithuania: thewhiterose.uk/lithuania-life-under-passports/

And I live about 30km from the Austrian border; doubtless I am fated to become untermensch too before this winter is out.


I'm not with you on the vaccine stuff Peter.

For me, vaccines are mainstream science and until I see a reason to believe otherwise won't buy into that stuff. Steve Kirsch has a financial interest in "off label" Covid treatments so can't be considered credible, in my view.

Totally with you on apartheid. Treating the unvaccinated as pariahs is scientific nonsense, unnecessary, cruel and self-evidently about politics not science.
 
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#215289
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
Today disgraceful Czech...

www.reuters.com/world/europe/czechs-bar-...services-2021-11-17/

One country by one the tyranny spreads. Not by design; but when they know they can do it...

We are stumbling into an undesigned new world order where our freedoms - our lives - can be taken away because of our health status.

Not because of science but because of politics, power & control.

And most people welcome it, or shrug. If you think it will rewind or reverse soon you are mistaken and need to study history.

Where will this now end?

I would be able to be lighter in tone about this if I didn't have children.

I blame every credulous idiot anywhere who couldn't see beyond trying to stop every possible "with" Covid death at the expense of everything else; with no thought as to whether it was a price worth paying, or that we might just be over reacting.
 
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#215302
dav dav

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 4 Days ago  
There's a fairly large militant group (maybe a thousand or so) who are angry AV'ers and really making a noise..
They've gone over the line and started threatening the premier and his family...

The restrictions should be coming off midnight tonight (I think).

There's a famous singer who is right up and personal at these events and a multi multi millionaire who was there too.. so it's a mixed bag of thugs, social disrupters,
entertainers, multi-millionaires and people who are genuinely concerned about adverse affects and legislation changes that give the State more powers..

What a happy happy world we live in...
 
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#215334
hedda

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
dav dav wrote:
There's a fairly large militant group (maybe a thousand or so) who are angry AV'ers and really making a noise..
They've gone over the line and started threatening the premier and his family...

The restrictions should be coming off midnight tonight (I think).

There's a famous singer who is right up and personal at these events and a multi multi millionaire who was there too.. so it's a mixed bag of thugs, social disrupters,
entertainers, multi-millionaires and people who are genuinely concerned about adverse affects and legislation changes that give the State more powers..

What a happy happy world we live in...


I find the militant anti-vaxers very odd.

So many have an "alternative" appearance..nothing wrong with that.

But they all come across as extremer right wingers who seem to believe they are at the forefront of "deep thinking" when the majority quote claptrap promoted by QAnon and other fascist style propagandists (their not conspiracy merchants but blatant and dangerous liars).

With vax rates heading towards 80/90% in most countries the "sheeple" have won this battle and the noisy minority have lost.

But fascists have a way of undermining society and the fact the USA has , it appears millions who believe Trump's lies is frightening.

Meanwhile the Fox News propagandist boss Lachlan Murdoch and family have returned again to the safety of Australia (via a large private jet) while Rupert tries to douse some of the flames he started by promoting Trump in the first place and being a sort of State Broadcaster for Trumpism.

## the anti-vaxers in Melbourne are summed up by the ex-stripper just fined over a traffic stop where she parroted idiotic US "sovereign citizen" claptrap at a police traffic stop.

The perils of studying at the University of Social Media
 
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#215348
Wyot

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
Yes the militant/activisit anti-vaxxers are an odd nutty right-wing lot on the whole; influenced by a tsunami of shit on the internet.

However I tire of anyone who questions our reaction to Covid in terms of restrictions being labelled a "conspiracy theorist" or "anti-science" when we don't believe there is any co-ordination or long term aim to the restrictions, and rely on all the other science available about masks and lockdowns to come to our conclusions.

And have to pinch myself that we now live in a world where people can be confined to their homes for not submitting to a medical procedure that primarily affects their health, not other peoples. This is not anti-vaxx; it is anti-insanity.

That one can be pro-vaxx, take the vaxx and advise everyone to do so but not be in favour of house arrest for those who don't, seems a distinction too far for most these days...
 
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#215370
Honey

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Oh well...

We complained about the injustice of Austria locking up everyone who is unvaxxed.

They appear to have listened, because now they have gone and locked up the whole country!
 
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#215375
Green Man

Re:Disgraceful Australia 2 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Gibraltar has cancelled Christmas despite being the most vaccinated place. Austria is going back to to lockdown, Germany again and Slovenia.

It's a game and always be from now on. I do wonder if the UK will go back in to full lockdown?

Ireland has bought back curfew then again the Irish government has always been mad.
 
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