From the Telegraph; I reckon it's more like 50% in hospital "with" Covid are not there because of it. And I'm sure in months gone by (since the vaccine) it's been even more - 80% or so. Panic is a killer.

It is slowly being seen for what it was: the biggest panic/over reaction in the history of our species. With devastating consequences that will be felt for generations.

I don't think its so much that random people are testing positive on arrival, because they screen you before you go in.

Hospitals easily spread viruses, sometimes unavoidable, but often because of filthy practices, so people who are already under the weather, or at the very least stressed and sleep deprived because of their stay, are being infected.

Covid 22: when will it occur to people that there is only a problem because of how we are choosing to react to Covid?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/worst-case...gnout&li=BBoPWjQ

Quarter of public sector workers off work in Winter because of testing and finding they are positive when well or for a slight sniffle.

We never used to do all this for cold viruses.

The country will collapse yearly, seasonally (and many will die as a result) unless we admit that we got it badly wrong with Covid and move on...

Wyot wrote:
Covid 22: when will it occur to people that there is only a problem because of how we are choosing to react to Covid?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/worst-case...gnout&li=BBoPWjQ

Quarter of public sector workers off work in Winter because of testing and finding they are positive when well or for a slight sniffle.

We never used to do all this for cold viruses.

The country will collapse yearly, seasonally (and many will die as a result) unless we admit that we got it badly wrong with Covid and move on...

It is a daft situation when hospitals are not given enough staff to cope with people being off sick in the very place you shouldn't be infected with colds, flu, corona or anything else.

I don't know why we have normalised people carrying on at work if they are unwell?

Honey wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Covid 22: when will it occur to people that there is only a problem because of how we are choosing to react to Covid?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/worst-case...gnout&li=BBoPWjQ

Quarter of public sector workers off work in Winter because of testing and finding they are positive when well or for a slight sniffle.

We never used to do all this for cold viruses.

The country will collapse yearly, seasonally (and many will die as a result) unless we admit that we got it badly wrong with Covid and move on...

It is a daft situation when hospitals are not given enough staff to cope with people being off sick in the very place you shouldn't be infected with colds, flu, corona or anything else.

I don't know why we have normalised people carrying on at work if they are unwell?

The trouble is Honey that this new testing regime means people who are well are also not in work. The public sector can barely operate with full staff as it is because of cuts; it's not just hospitals and medics: Police/Courts/Probation/Social Services etc. Our response to Covid has to factor in reality not just knee jerk politics. And it never has.

Skowly but surely it comes now.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/02/br...-good-says-scientist

An expert on infectious diseases has written a book on how we panicked, failed to protect who we needed to protect and imposed pointless lockdowns.

Don't believe myself, JK or others on here cause we aint scientists?

Have a read...it is what we have been saying for 2 years.

Wyot wrote:
Honey wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Covid 22: when will it occur to people that there is only a problem because of how we are choosing to react to Covid?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/worst-case...gnout&li=BBoPWjQ

Quarter of public sector workers off work in Winter because of testing and finding they are positive when well or for a slight sniffle.

We never used to do all this for cold viruses.

The country will collapse yearly, seasonally (and many will die as a result) unless we admit that we got it badly wrong with Covid and move on...

It is a daft situation when hospitals are not given enough staff to cope with people being off sick in the very place you shouldn't be infected with colds, flu, corona or anything else.

I don't know why we have normalised people carrying on at work if they are unwell?

The trouble is Honey that this new testing regime means people who are well are also not in work. The public sector can barely operate with full staff as it is because of cuts; it's not just hospitals and medics: Police/Courts/Probation/Social Services etc. Our response to Covid has to factor in reality not just knee jerk politics. And it never has.

Yes, but it is a self limiting problem now that the lateral flows and proper tests are very conveniently unavailable.

Omicron is running riot in Sydney (and Australia) and as someone with pre-existing chronic conditions it's scaring me.

We largely avoided the Covid pandemic but clearly people have let their guard down. Mask wearing completely abandoned for about 1 month with a surge in Omicron. Either it spreads easily or it's because people's natural desire to pretend nothing is happening is the cause.

There is of course no indication yet that Omicron won't transmute into something less or more deadly just as Influenza produces a new deadly strain every year.

Personally I take the advice of local medical experts, the WHO and US professionals like Dr Fauci seriously.

Many people (a tiny minority) seem to think these experts will get it correct always in the first instance

## Western Australia has really sailed through Covid & Omicron by basically shutting the door completely from the very beginning.

Not that I have any desire to go there but for some odd reason it's highly popular with 100,000s UK immigrants who seem to think it's heaven. Perth even has 100s of white UK Hackney taxis to make them feel at home.

Green Man wrote:


Yes so frustrating isn't it. How many tens of millions of children died of Spanish flu? Not one of them died "with" Spanish flu. And how many children have died with Covid? Just what is the mortality rate? People who compare Covid to Spanish Flu are fantasising, for reasons only they can know.

Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:


Yes so frustrating isn't it. How many tens of millions of children died of Spanish flu? Not one of them died "with" Spanish flu. And how many children have died with Covid? Just what is the mortality rate? People who compare Covid to Spanish Flu are fantasising, for reasons only they can know.

Reading history..even in Oz 40,000 died from Spanish Flu before it was defeated.

Looking at some of the government adverts from the time ..1919..is illuminating.

Wear masks, pubs shut, all theaters shut, social distancing..basically exactly the same as for Covid !

hedda wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:


Yes so frustrating isn't it. How many tens of millions of children died of Spanish flu? Not one of them died "with" Spanish flu. And how many children have died with Covid? Just what is the mortality rate? People who compare Covid to Spanish Flu are fantasising, for reasons only they can know.

Reading history..even in Oz 40,000 died from Spanish Flu before it was defeated.

Looking at some of the government adverts from the time ..1919..is illuminating.

Wear masks, pubs shut, all theaters shut, social distancing..basically exactly the same as for Covid !

Yes Aus history with Spanish Flu is interesting and it was certainly an outlier in having (comparatively) very few deaths. The restrictions slowed the infection but still 40% of the population contracted it eventually but still with low death rates.

Aus was a leader with vaccine development & deployment for SF and had more time to do this; as it took time for forces to disperse back from mainland Europe after the war.

None of thi, though, answers whether the Aus restrictions for SF caused more harm than saved more lives? I think there was certainly much more of a case for them with SF (compared with Covid) given it's infection to death rate in Europe and that SF was lethal to all ages. It did not discriminate like Covid; which is essentially only lethally dangerous potentially to the very old/those with co-morbidities.

This is not meant to sound callous (and I am sorry to hear how much Omicton in Aus is alarming you Hedda; and do understand why) as I believe that public health decisions must take into account a cost-benefit analysis to all society, rather than just one portion of society.

My objection has always been that this has not happened (though it is now 2 years on in the UK) rather than getting the outcome I don't personally agree with.

It is one thing if there is a concerted effort to wipe out (or minimise) the virus for the protection of susceptible people, but quite another when we are expected to do it indefinitely to the detriment of other vulnerable people, businesses, and normal life, while the government allows viruses to be carried back and forth on planes and sends children to super-spreading events five days a week.

I can support an emergency fix, but not a never ending farce, and it seems that the only thing we are "learning to live with" is fascism.

I think, Honey, you are reflecting the views of a fast growing majority. When this started, most of us simply obeyed government instructions, feeling they (and the "experts") knew more about it than we did. Now it is dawning they DIDN'T.