I personally think this is the scandal that should bring down the present UK government. It is a disgrace that the UK officially declares self interest is more important than saving lives and giving human beings a decent future. And I feel very strongly it should not be reasons like "political asylum" or other loopholes that stop this vile policy. Who cares who or why people want to live here? As a human society we should welcome them, help them (yes - and police them).

JK2006 wrote:
I personally think this is the scandal that should bring down the present UK government. It is a disgrace that the UK officially declares self interest is more important than saving lives and giving human beings a decent future. And I feel very strongly it should not be reasons like "political asylum" or other loopholes that stop this vile policy. Who cares who or why people want to live here? As a human society we should welcome them, help them (yes - and police them).

Here here & well said JK.

High Court backs Government - and quite right too. Now we have declared we are not members of the human race and no longer responsible to the human rights Act, we should indeed behave like animals.

Prince Charles so right on Rawanda but so very wrong for speaking out so vehemently against Gov policy. We really don't need the Royal Family to become politicians. The only justification for them is that they are not.

Leaving aside the morality of attributing a comment to our future King with no reason to believe it's true (these days legally and morally truth is not only unimportant but anathema to media) - well said Prince Charles. This policy IS appalling. It is also perfectly justifiable if Government believes, like an apparent majority of UK citizens, that a foreigner's life is less important than having to pay a penny more tax. For those of us who find this repellant, the idea of sending Boris, Patel and most other Ministers to Rwanda has its attractions.

Without any doubt, on Monday the Tuesday flight must be stopped.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/10/...old?CMP=share_btn_tw

But Charles did NOT speak out publicly - being well aware of the convention. I disagree that he must remain politically neutral though. As long as our elected leaders are criminals they should be exposed.

JK2006 wrote:
But Charles did NOT speak out publicly - being well aware of the convention. I disagree that he must remain politically neutral though. As long as our elected leaders are criminals they should be exposed.

Yes to be fair to Charles I did not look into how/where he may have said this. I agree with everything you say about Rwanda I am disgusted by the policy. If our elected leaders are acting unlawfully I agree with you that he can and should comment. But for the sake of the Royal Family (as a viable institution) I think they very much need to remain neutral on political matters otherwise. I could go on about why but we all understand why...

My problem is I think Democracy no longer works as voters are influenced by media and we'd be better off as a country with a benign autocracy. A monarchy would not be benign but some form of ultimate control by decent people could only be an improvement.

JK2006 wrote:
My problem is I think Democracy no longer works as voters are influenced by media and we'd be better off as a country with a benign autocracy. A monarchy would not be benign but some form of ultimate control by decent people could only be an improvement.

If it could be achieved I totally agree. I no longer take part in the "democratic" process as I also believe it is - in reality - over in large parts of the Western world now...

I would also be happy for Charles & then William to be said benign autocrat.

We should all be grateful that Priti and Boris don't send immigrants to gas chambers. Oops - that could be the next suggestion to stop these evil people smugglers.

LATEST - Judge says flight CAN take off with 11 people (wasn't it originally over 150?) but all of them can be brought back if July's hearing decides against stupid Patel and stupid Johnson. But this makes NO SENSE!! Why send these 11 now? Why not at least postpone until after the July decision?

Wyot wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
But Charles did NOT speak out publicly - being well aware of the convention. I disagree that he must remain politically neutral though. As long as our elected leaders are criminals they should be exposed.

Yes to be fair to Charles I did not look into how/where he may have said this. I agree with everything you say about Rwanda I am disgusted by the policy. If our elected leaders are acting unlawfully I agree with you that he can and should comment. But for the sake of the Royal Family (as a viable institution) I think they very much need to remain neutral on political matters otherwise. I could go on about why but we all understand why...

I agree and would extend this to Charles and William bleating about the environment, because it is usually political.

JK2006 wrote:
We should all be grateful that Priti and Boris don't send immigrants to gas chambers. Oops - that could be the next suggestion to stop these evil people smugglers.

Nobody knew about the gas chambers until it was too late. It all seemed reasonable at the beginning.

Indeed Honey and if one of those being "deported" happens to be gay and someone in Rwanda doesn't like gay people and decides to kill them, I suppose the Courts and Judges of our wonderful country will declare their corpse should be flown back to the UK for burial - if the July legal decision goes their way.

DOH! "Great" Britain?