Jonathan - I seem to remember when all that stuff happened to you 8 years ago you called false allegations "the growth area in crime today".

Looking at the news it seems you were spot on.

Money made by false accusers, lawyers, media, tabloids, pr, even police who get bigger budgets if there is more public interest.

I didnt believe you then. Now it seems right.

Oh yes - these days the equivalents to my false accusers are claiming kidnap of children or murder of princesses or abuse in Jersey homes or whatever...

To the false accusers, every day is April 1st.

The extraordianry sum that victims of sexual assaults get is amazing.

I was nearly beaten to death by some strangers on Portobello Road one night about 20 years ago. I got less than 2 thousand pounds from the government but lost about 7 months of wages.

In contrast-those who claim they were sexually assaulted 20/30 years ago can get a huge sum of compensation these days. I don't have a problem with that but there really should be a statute of limitations on accusations.

And I have never ever heard of one of these victims ever donating their compensation to aid other kids who are the being abused-which number in the hundred's of thousands every year.

The compensation culture is massive - as are the VICTIM and BLAME cultures; so much cash in compensation, interview fees, books, memoirs, appearances - but now everyone is starting to notice it perhaps, just perhaps, somebody may do something about it.

Behind every Shannon Matthews situation there are dozens of encouraging "charities" and organisations making millions out of the false allegations criminal industry.

Listen to Professional Victims.

Let's not forget there are some genuine abuses too BUT... there are so many reasons now to exaggerate, inflate, invent, leap on a bandwagon, sign on a SHAMELESS scam... mind you, perhaps GORMLESS might be more appropriate in some cases.

People are starting to see through the "there's a monster behind every door" scaremongers. I hear even politicians are getting nervous about all these "victims" rising from the ashes.

There are some previously adored "victim" bosses who can't get into Portcullis House these days.

JK2006 wrote:

People are starting to see through the "there's a monster behind every door" scaremongers. I hear even politicians are getting nervous about all these "victims" rising from the ashes.

Thursday 10 April
9:00pm - 10:00pm
Channel 4

Adel, Sam and Toni believe Britain has never been more dangerous. They fear teenagers allowed out on their own will be stabbed or mugged, and younger kids abducted. So they keep their offspring under close supervision. And with terrible stories in the newspapers every day, perhaps it's not surprising.

But is Adel right to ban his 13-year-old son from going out with his friends, and should Toni tell her nine-year-old daughter that everyone they pass on the street is a potential kidnapper? This Cutting Edge film asks children how parental anxiety affects them.

Should be interesting viewing ITK...

I still remember by ex-wife's mother's reaction to her 18 year old son's request to go up from Hampshire to London to see a Libertine's gig a few years ago...

She'd wrapped the kid up in cotton wool all his life, and as a result he was a little bit 'timid'...

You should have heard her fill his stories of what could happen to him up in the big, bad city. It didn't take him long to back-down. He didn't go to the gig.

Comparing his mother's attitude with that of my own, I think I was very lucky to have my childhood in a less 'paranoid' time in history...

Three more arrests in Matthews case.

It really is looking murkier and murkier.

Pete Clarke wrote:
Should be interesting viewing ITK...

I still remember by ex-wife's mother's reaction to her 18 year old son's request to go up from Hampshire to London to see a Libertine's gig a few years ago...

She'd wrapped the kid up in cotton wool all his life, and as a result he was a little bit 'timid'...

You should have heard her fill his stories of what could happen to him up in the big, bad city. It didn't take him long to back-down. He didn't go to the gig.

Comparing his mother's attitude with that of my own, I think I was very lucky to have my childhood in a less 'paranoid' time in history...

I'm surprised the lad didn't go - his mother made it sound quite exciting (LOL) !

I too had a fairly "laid back" upbringing. I remember once I wanted to stay out a bit later (I would have been around 14-ish I think) but my father was insistant that I be home by 9pm. My granny then simply asked "What, exactly, could I do - right or wrong - after 9pm that couldn't be done equally well before 9pm?"

My father had no answer !

On the whole, I don't think the percentage of weirdos is any more or less these days than back then - its just that everyone is looking for them now. And what you look for .....

JK2006 wrote:
Three more arrests in Matthews case.

It really is looking murkier and murkier.

Not reported on national news, but was on local TV reports .... police are holding meeting with the "community" tonight in local school after one of the Mathews "family" was threatened yesterday (allegedly).

Police quite worried apparently about vigilante-type action.

Damn. More pediatricians burned to the ground!

some of the so-called "Victim's" Rights groups are extremely dodgy and need looking into. Alternatively there are some people who are doing wonderful work with the abused and neglected kids but they tend to stay out the limelight-some groups are there to attract government funding.

I always remember the interview Billy Connolly did on Parkinson abiout being abused by his father when he was very young. He was emphatic-he didn't want to be treated as a "victim" but a survivor.

Some groups perpetuate the victimhood of people and continue their suffering-they are very dangerous and tend to be total amateurs.

Quite right Veritas - the damage useless Victim's Rights organisations do to real victims by sheltering false accusers is massive.

Just imagine if the Shannon Matthews story had not concentrated on kidnap but on historical allegations? So much easier to get away with. Less chance of an adult breaking down and owning up to the truth than a child found lying.

No evidence needed - go back 30 years, pick a rich or celebrity to accuse - how could it go wrong?
And imagine the quantity of wrongly convicted ruined lives as a result.

Frightening.

The time limit on everything except murder should be 5 years for reporting.

It is ridiculous that the Police will take more seriously an allegation with no evidence from 20 years ago than say getting beaten up today with people watching ( and they use the - we dont have enough evidence to prosecute mantra for almost everything )

It seems that where celebs and benefit scroungers are concerned the system is there to be milked.

Real abusers now get let off because the public rightly cant differentiate between real abuse and false allegations - often they both come with no evidence. Even when there is some evidence the abuser often walks.

Though I have every sympathy with the ruined lives of those falsely accused - having seen someone who was genuinely abused go through the humiation of a court case - only for the jury to be unable to reach a verdict I thing the FALSE ACCUSERS actually increase the likelyhood of real abuse happening. That in my view is a bigger sin than their false allegation.

I would like to think that all of us on here are totally against the abuse of young children and the exploitation of women for money of any age.

The Police turn a blind eye to the gangs who tout foreign teenagers in the red light districts of our cities ( Panorama said 5,000 are involved ) which makes their chasing of false accusations from 15 - 50 years ago even more crazy.

The Jersey case will probably lead to no prosecutions. Sadly whatever happened there was too long ago for any evidence to remain. The Police are sadly too stupid to actually realise this. They have probably spent a year's budget on this "archaelogical did" whilst I expect there are kids on the Island RIGHT NOW at risk - and where they say "They have not got enough resources to deal with these kids"

The lies our state and the Police tell compound the False Accusations - and we do the CHILDREN of 2008 a great diservice by pointing resources towards unprovable events of many years ago.

It is a SCANDAL !

BR wrote:
The time limit on everything except murder should be 5 years for reporting.

It is ridiculous that the Police will take more seriously an allegation with no evidence from 20 years ago than say getting beaten up today with people watching

It's MUCH easier for the police - that's why !
The "evidence" can be whatever they want it to be.

I think it's important to point out that not all false allegations are historical. In tha case of police trawling operations, e.g. the childrens homes in North Wales a few years ago, police interview all the pupils and encourage them to make allegations.

Transcripts from an interview with a child from one residential school showed the following interview technique:

Police showed the child a list of names of staff members and asked her which one she didn't like.

She hesitated then chose one name and said "Him. I don't like him."

Police: "Why don't you like him?"

Girl: "Umm" girl shrugs

Police: "What did he do to make you not like him? We know he's done something to you and it's important that you tell us what he did."

Girl looks uneasy and remains silent.

Police: "You'd make your mother very happy if you told us, and you won't get into any trouble."


No allegation had been made against this staff member until after the police interviews. The police called this girl back twice for similar interviews before she made her allegation. A later medical examination proved that her allegation could not be true.

The damage the police caused this girl by placing her in that position is also abuse, in my opinion. Sadly, she is just one example of many.