Shocking that they are giving the GREEN LIGHT to Sex for girls from the Age of 9 upwards ( on the BBC today - Scotland )

www.christianvoice.org.uk/Press/press039.html

I believe this injection should not be given until the "child" is 16 years old.

New Labour are doing everything to sexualise children.........very sinister development in my view.

I am not against the vaccine for adults but for Children it is really disasteful.

If christianvoice.org wants to stick its head up its arse and forget about all the kids under 16 who do and will have sex, then that's their business. It reminds me of the Catholic Church's stance against condoms contributing to the spread of AIDS in Africa.

I fear their views have more to do with their religious dogma than the desire to do good. "The best way of not getting cervical cancer and genital warts is to stay a virgin and marry a virgin" they state. That's not going to happen and meanwhile they would condemn some kids to a life threatening disease if they had their way. That's not very "Christian".

I agree with your point on New Labour's double standards though.

How on earth do you come to the conclusion that "they are giving the GREEN LIGHT to Sex for girls from the Age of 9"?

I certainly believe that Government needs to decide whether they condone Under Age sex or not.

They cant on one hand be handing out condoms and jabs and advice on pregnancy and STDs to say 12 year olds and then on the other hand legally enforce laws against the same 12 year olds without having a severe case of double standards.

If their attitude that 12 year olds are going to have sex whatever we say and whatever the law then that is abdicating any responsibility.

What we need I believe is a robust sex eduction system which starts from the premise that it is illegal to have sexual relations of any sort until you hit your 16th Birthday.

Sex Education needs to explain in a NON religious way why the law protects them up until then from having sexual relations of any sort. If the state cant make the case for why this is a GOOD AND JUST law ( which I think it is I might add ) then they should rethink their whole policy.

At the moment the law seems almost to be a net by which to fish out kids and stick them in courts against each other or against over 16s - in a sexual world where they dont understand the "power" elements of sexual relationships.

Sex is being used by the state as a weapon against the population. Though they say that there is up to 25% of youngsters abused in families - there does not seem to be any education programme for parents or children about such things.

In fact the only education is through the media who portray abuse as "coming from predators only " and thereby possibly making it easier for inter familial abuse to take place.

I am Christian as you know. I do stand with the majority of Christians on the idea that abstinance is actually a better way in all ways.

Where, BR, does it say anything about nine year olds receiving this vaccination? The BBC story I read spoke about 12 to 17 year olds..

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7590712.stm

I suppose you also agree with that awful Republican Palin woman, who believes that children should not receive any Government funded sex education whilst at school...?

The Christian right are amongst the biggest groups of hypocritical nutters on the planet.

That, sir, is undeniable and mainstream society will rightly take as much notice of christianvoice.org as we would a bunch of animal sacrificing savages.

What about the nine year olds you mentioned in your original post...?

There was an interview on News 24 where the supporters of the vaccine said it would be given to children of the age of 9 onwards - but they went further to say that they thought it could be given even younger.

Sorry that I did not give my source for that comment - this is a forum not an exam.

By all means rail against Christians or whatever.

The problem of STDs has not been created by Christians.

Lets be totally honest here - if people followed God;s instructions for sex ( marriage ) then STDs would not be a problem in the way they are now. That much I am sure you can agree with. So who is wrong and who is right - look at the evidence before taking a position which is based on just faith or lack of faith.

Double standards are the confusion that our kids grow up with - no wonder they get hurt and no wonder they get used and no wonder they have a poor self image. We sexualise them without any guidelines to how powerful and wonderful an emotion it creates - not to say least the fact that LIFE can be created by such a union.

At present the Global Economy controls sex. They use it to sell things - they use it to enslave people - they use it to destroy people's lives.

Call me old fashioned - but there seems to be alot of sense in abstinance especially for teenagers. Not least to save them emotional distress or abuse.

Those who "claim" to be against abuse of Under 16s somehow show their true colours when faced with such things as Sex Education and Vaccination.......the argument that sex is ok for Under 16s suddenly is wrapped in political correctness speak about hormones and other things......sorry - I dont just buy that argument. If it is a criminal offence for an under 16 to have sexual relations - then that law is there to PROTECT that child and NOTHING should come above that law. If we make laws only to break them then why have any laws at all. For Christians they also have God's law to deal with - God's instructions about sex - which seeing as they believe he is the Creator is rather like checking the manual......so no wonder when others decide to make up their "own manual" that things break down and things go horribly wrong. That GOD person - sure did know about these things

Please don't start using the words 'God' and 'Evidence' in the same argument about how we live our lives in the year 2008.

I don't think I need to explain why..

The only evidence we have to judge GOD on is whether the words are measurable against what we know......

So does loving one another improve life ?

So does abstaining from sex before marriage protect us against STDs ?

and so on.

The belief in GOD is faith of course and like many things in life requires no evidence.

I feel that with STDs it is clear that abstinance before 16 or even 18 is a good thing because your life IS IN DANGER from such things. Some would disagree and think it was a risk worth taking.......

So, as abstinence is totally unrealistic, what's the next best alternative....?

You know, the urge to procreate is utterly primal and is a result of MILLIONS of years of evolution.

Do you remember what it was like when you were 13 or 14.
When I was that age, all I wanted to do was fuck. You cannot supress that kind of urge.

God didn't create us. That is my belief, but it is not one that is based upon faith. I prefer to make my judgements based on scientific evidence. That is the age we live in.

Lets face it-which Chrisitians actually follow the bible .. nowhere does it say in the New Testaments anything about the age at which people should have sex.

And in the old Testaments people were betrothed as soon as they reached puberty-12 to 14- and then married.

Today's Christianity has little to do with the originators of the religion althogh I still reckon JC was a pretty good bloke who was the original Socialist !

It is not an "age" thing.

It is a morality issue - such as the safest and best way to appreciate sex is in a loving relationship.

At 13 years old or even 16 years old it is unlikely that someone that age can make a loving lasting relationship.

That is the reason for the age of consent. It also allows kids a chance to just become friends with members of the opposite sex first - rather than see them as "objects" to "fuck" - as you very clearly said.

Yes we all have desires and hormones because we are programmed to procreate.

Abstinance until someone is 16 or married is not a big deal when most people are living into their 80s these days. It can save alot of heartache and dare I say this - abusive relationships.

I am not against sex. I am not saying that it is not difficult for people with high sex drives. But the evidence points towards self control - and that would improve the lives of many kids who are "sexualised" by the media ( as you were no doubt ) into having sex before they really could get the relationship side of things sorted out.

Sorry BR, but it wasn't 'the media' that sexualised me.

It was the onset of puberty.

I was brought up as a Catholic and, when I was a kid, it was very different from today. No internet. Not much sex on the telly etc.

Look around the animal kingdom and you'll see the same thing happening across all species. As soon as an animal is sexually mature, they want to procreate.

We are, after all, nothing more than highly intelligent apes.

Why do you think sex feels so good? It is mother nature's way of stimulating and encouraging the most natural act in the world.

As I said, it is a primal urge which cannot, and should not be supressed. You only have to look at the number of Catholic priests who turn into abusers to see this.