Who would want to be a teacher in the UK ? No one hence the adverts. In fact only weirdos probably apply now - because anyone normal would run a mile when they read this story !!!

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7668979.stm

How do you know it's false?

Indeed - it may well be true.
But these days more and more are looking suspect.
As more people experience the art of false allegations, from extreme involvement to the limited press coverage, and as more people have friends, family, relations trapped by this scourge, more and more will assume allegations are false and, sadly, genuine abusers will escape punishment as the pendulum swings.

A top headteacher who would have dealt with literally thousands of kids in their career - does not suddenly start beating up 15 year old girls.

Especially if this was the start if new "super school" and when most people even if nutters would be on their best behaviour.

If a TOP HEAD could act like this then it would mean almost every teacher in the UK would be fair game for such actions.

The TEACHERS that I know have to put up with terrible stuff - and not rise to awful bait and behaviour. If you had any friends who were teachers you would know this.

I am 100% sure that this is a false allegation and will go no-where.

It reminds me of a similar allegation about a Primary School head in Wales a couple of years ago - when EVERY witness said there had been no assault yet the Police took this poor women to court.

These heads probably vote Tory..........our country is seeing prominent people who dont back Gordon getting "done over" by a justice system which seems to call anyone who does not agree with New Labour a "terrorist"

He may have assaulted her, he may not.

But your assertion that he cannot be guilty because of his previous good character is rubbish.

I posted on this thread yesterday, saying that once an allegation has been made the police are obliged to investigate, and that we cannot assume all allegations are false merely on the grounds that several others have been false.

I received the confirmation message that my post had been accepted, but find that it has not been published. I don't think I said anything offensive or inaccurate. Was my post rejected intentionally or was it a glitch?

A glitch I'm afraid Denise - please post again; it's gone into the ether!

Your post that the "Police are obliged to investigate every allegation" is quite simply untrue.

The Police probably investigate around 20% of allegations because they DO sift them first. Many are very obviously false or lacking in evidence.

The Police investigate any allegation WHERE THERE IS SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.

That is how it is possible to know IN ADVANCE which allegations are false.

I can tell you why this one is false. If a HEADTEACHER started assaulting a teenage girl in or outside a school a VIDEO of the event would have been filmed by another Student or even member of the public and would have been up on YOU TUBE within hours. Kids all carry video and photo phones. They would have been shocked and pulled out a phone to capture such a crazy moment.

I think that anyone looking at this situation would have asked that - it reminds me of the "Birmingham Rape in a School" Earlier this year ( Which of course was a big hoo haa but ultimately led no where ) where you could apply the same evidential tests.

I would say 95% of allegations of assault or sexual assault etc are false in our society. It is a sad reflection of how people "try to get even or get compensation"

Without any medical evidence of assault or sexual offences I would say that any allegation should be dismissed as a false claim immediately. With other offences we dont prosecute without this real evidence so why for assault and sexual assault ?

If people knew that they could only come forward when they had forensic evidence to support their claim then it would make the CPS's job easier as well. Over 95% of cases of sexual assault fail in court - and the ones that succeed need a media campaign to push them through.

Thought crimes like terrorism likewise rely on innuendo and suggestion rather than facts.

If you all want to live in a society where if you are a TEACHER you live in fear EVERY DAY that little Jane in the 4th year who dislikes you intently could make a complaint to the Police leading you to be splashed accross the press as a paedophile and suspended from your job and face a one year of court hearings and a high profile trial ( all on her word and allegation ) then cant you all see why a TEACHER is basically in the highest risk job of any public service. Most 14 year old boys and girls are full of hormones and lets be honest are very bitchy and disagreeable - it is called being a teenager. So without evidence surely it is essential that TEACHERS and others who work with this age group are protected more against these allegations.

I believe that the NUT has failed teachers - because surely such cases should remain totally anonymous until a conviction is secured. In addition suspension should only happen once charges are brought and then only in extreme cases where it is not just someone's word against the other.

We are living in a society where a PERSON can be dragged through a court case when they dont even KNOW someone on the basis of a false allegation. This cant be right and smacks of the NAZI STYLE POLICE state.

If GOOD PEOPLE like us on here dont stand up against this then we are as bad as the NAZIS.

I would prefer 100 criminals to get away with it rather than 1 innocent person go to jail. No one should have their freedom taken away based on lies and manipulation of the justice system. If there are more than 1 person in our jails who are innocent at the moment it means our justice system is wrong. The orginators of our system said BEYOND REASONABLE PROOF - a very high standard of proof. Well sorry - folks - that is not happening. BARRY GEORGE - SION JENKINS and many more prove that SHOW TRIALS convict without real evidence even when the public are SURE that they have the wrong person.

On the other side of the coin we all know the POLICE who assassinated DE MENEZES should stand trial for "Manslaughter in diminished responsibilty circumstances" yet they have not been charged and allowed to put their side. ( They would have had a suspended sentence I would have said ) But they are so obviously guilty from all the evidence that DOES exist.

Our COUNTRY justice system is wrong. That is yet another reason why when JK says he is innocent we should all give him the benefit of the doubt - especially because the evidence does not stand up to scrutiny and if he had been Joe Bloggs he would probably have never even been charged.

This is where we are at in our system. It is sad but myths like "The Police HAVE To investigate" actually make things worse - that is how the Police justify taking NON CASES on against people they dont like !!!

Isn't "sifting" a form of investigation?

To discover whether there is any degree of evidence they must conduct a limited form of investigation. Denise is right that the police are obliged to investigate, but this might just involve a couple of simple questions. What they cannot do is completely ignore an allegation.

If the head teacher has not been suspended, then it looks like there is not much evidence against them, as yet. Isn't it possible that the assault took place in private, so that nobody could film it? And what does assault mean in this case?

I always treat everyone as innocent until proven guilty, but I also know that some people are indeed guilty.

Let's hope that this case is handled sensitively, and that decisions are based on evidence rather than emotion or assumption.

why would the POLICE PR release details to the press without any detail in this particular case if it was not to damage the Headteacher.

Thank God I have never been in the press so I dont know how bad it would be to be accused of assaulting a 15 year old girl publicly......but I can imagine it cant be nice. There are many "no smoke without fire" dumbed down people who have not got enough IQ to discriminate between innocent until guilty and their own view that if the Police arrest you then you are guilty.

This story should not be in the press if it has not been looked into already. This is exactly what is wrong - we should not even be discussing this. It is unfair on the headteacher ( and the alleged victim )

Our law needs to change and until a trial is over no reporting should be done. I am convinced that all of us who stand up against New Labour are being monitored and they are waiting to "investigate" us all for terrorism or assault or any crime that does not need evidence - so that they can warn us all through these sorts of stories what will happen to us IF we dare step out of line.

We are living in a Big Brother State already - and many of us are still sleepwalking through it. If you want me to prove that come to LONDON and walk down any main road and look up - and you will see poles bristling with literally tens of cameras whirring and spinning above your head. Just to get into central London each road has over 10 cameras on it - and to get into the North Circular each point has at least 12 cameras on it and again on the M25. 3 rings of cameras for motorists feeding into the GCHQ Master Computer and the brand new POLICE computer in Colindale.

The debate is no longer intellectual about these things - it is about a REAL system of surveillance being used against us all ( for our protection of course HA HA )

BR wrote:
we should not even be discussing this. It is unfair on the headteacher ( and the alleged victim )


In all honesty, BR, I would not even heard of this case if you had not begun a discussion about it on here.

I, and I'm sure many others, agree that the accused should not be named until there is a conviction. There is too much trial by media.

I think there is only one possible way that people who work with children can protect themselves these days..and that's have cameras in every room or area were they are alone with a child.

I'm surprised in these days were we are monitored on almost every ocassion that authorities haven't insisted on this. It would certainly prevent false allegations and possibly prevent real attacks.

I work in schools on a regular basis and am under strict instructions to leave any classroom, area or IT suite if I am left working alone with any children, despite having full police clearance to do the job in the first place.

I think that is a sensible reason for having a camera in every school classroom and the outside areas.

But the cost of putting a CCTV camera everywhere is surely prohibitive - unless we all walk around with the Police Style Headset camera ( which you can buy off the net !!! )

Though like with 9/11 and De Menezes - mysteriously when any court case is around then the "tapes" disappear mysteriously never to be seen.