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God 15 Years, 7 Months ago
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Poor Blossom has quite enough on her plate so here's the continuation of the GOD topic.
Zooloo asks us to define GOD.
I define GOD as the power which starts the life process.
I have no idea what it is - I'm an ITDOESN'TMATTERist.
Whether we meet GOD when we die and whether there is an after life - I have no idea.
So I don't lead my life by any belief in how or why it started. I'm here. I can cope with the situation. I get on with it. And build my own morality to live by - not to hurt others, to experience a lot, to create, to make others happy etc...
But LIFE can appear to be started by man - when we plant a seed, in a woman or in the ground. However, the life force is already there, in the seed.
What starts the life cycle - who knows? We may well never know. Or we may know when we appear to die (remember, our bodies, buried in the ground, create more, different life).
So I don't go along with organised religion but equally I don't agree with atheists.
We don't know so let's not guess - either way.
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Re:God 15 Years, 7 Months ago
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I only asked for definition in context of other's asking anyone to disprove "God". Before an attempt can be made to prove or disprove a thing it's prudent to define what the object is.
In the case of your version it's not something that can be proved/disproved as it's naming part of a process. As you're not demanding one's behaviour should be modified according to this "God" the existence, real or convenient, doesn't really matter.
BR mentions a force or person beyond our comprehension.
Even if that person/force is as you claim incomprehensible it's effect would not be. As there is no evident consistent effect it is reasonable to believe there is no singular cause.
Basing our lives on the teaching of somebody like Jesus I think would be the highest folly. For example I don't think we should hate our parents nor do I think we should kill people who don't believe what we do.
Part of Jesus's teaching, such as where he echoes Cicero on not harbouring animosity I do agree with but on the whole I think Jesus is a good example of why we shouldn't follow one person's view wholesale.
Jesus's teachings are not entirely bad but they aren't entirely good either.
Again you bring up that you are yet to find somebody who can disprove God (Which were I came in ) I am happy to give this a go.
The first step is for you to define "God" please.
(I'm assuming your "God" is the one of the Old Testament but it may be you view that one as either literal or symbolic)
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Re:God 15 Years, 7 Months ago
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BR/Denise - bad teachings of Jesus:
Hate your parents -
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Kill the unbelievers -
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Love and peace? Not really -
Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
These are a few examples there's certainly more that reflect rather poorly on Jesus and his temperamental ways.
His "good" teachings are common to religions that precede him, certainly not unique to him. I would not question their value but I would question pretending he was the sole voice and for that reason remarkable.
It surprises me how selective people are regarding what they consider to be the word of God. People pick and choose disregarding things that are inconvenient to them.
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Re:God 15 Years, 7 Months ago
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Well Zoo, for me the fact that human beings do not have the capacity to understand the original force defines GOD.
It is something beyond our comprehension.
Who knows, ants may not be able to understand Darwinian evolution - they may be even further down the chain of comprehension. Or they may understand better the original force which created life.
It is something we cannot know so choose, sometimes, to believe.
I live my life according to what I can see, feel, touch, observe... so, to me, the incomprehensible doesn't matter. That's why I'm an ITDOESNTMATTERist.
And it means I don't disbelieve either (that's just a version of belief - atheism).
I don't know. I may or may not be informed after death. Who cares?
It is not, incidentally, a PART of the process; it is the START of the process.
We can understand the Universe. But what is OUTSIDE the universe?
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