With temperatures diving to sub minus 10 degrees tonight we are seeing one of the coldest winters for many years. Funny how the "global warming" lobby has gone quiet.

I took a quick look at the stats for temperature on the Met Site and saw that the UK annual average has been very warm before on several occasions this century.

In fact this December is likely to be one of the coldest EVER on record. January has likewise started as one of the coldest starts - with no let up.

The ICE at the arctic is now back to its 1979 levels.

Of course the Global Warming fans will say this is because of our cutting carbon emissions - in which case fantastic news. But supposedly this year saw a massive increase in carbon Worldwide.

So what IS effecting the weather. Well it does seem to be that big yellow object in the SKY ( Known as the SUN ). Lack of sunspot activity leads to Global cooling and loads of activity leads to Global warming.

In fact though pollution is bad and carbon is a bad thing in big quantities - we are too insignificant to wreck the world. The earth I believe will cause natural disasters to protect itself against humans if necessary - 2004 Tsunami was the warning.

It is a good thing to save power and to use less fuel in cars. Oil is a bad thing for the world - not least because it leads to war in the Middle East all of the time.

But Global Warming ? no chance. Does not exist and so far no evidence has been presented to prove it.

I look out of my window and I see the coldest winter I can remember for nearly 30 years. This has been worldwide - snowstorms in loads of places.

I just hope our Governments dont try and TAX us anymore on this basis.

Where do you live? Just checked BBC site and no mention of SUB minus 10 temperatures.

Midlands is getting between Minus 4 to 10 tonight. BBC is showing it at minus 3 - funny how the these stats are government sponsored.

Even so - the temperatures for December will be announced soon and it may be the coldest December on record.

Where are you getting your stats from? Every report echos that of the BBC.

+1 in Nottingham at the moment.

A particularly chilly December doesn't mean anything about global warming, which is based on long term averages. There will still be hot and cold spells.

Just been announced on BBC Radio that it was MINUS 8 with 2 inches of frost last night.

All the footie games in the Marches have been postponed because of frozen solid pitches as well,

So the BBC was 5 degrees out !!! and my guess of 10 degrees below was only 2 out.

Only goes to show that what I said yesterday was true.

We are generally being lied to about our weather at the moment. Why ? The only reason has to be global warming lobby.

Minus 8 in England should be in the headlines of the news ( national ) but I bet it wont even be reported except on BBC Local Radio.

You are confusing climate with weather which has lead you down the wrong track to an erroneous conclusion.

So GORDON BROWN wont be on BBC Andrew Marr tomorrow morning unchallenged doing his regular Party Broadcast whilst MARR fawns all over him and does not put him on the spot.

The VAT cut has failed - we can see that because December spending went down again and shops are failing even faster. Yet MARR wont corner Brown on this.

The Middle East peace process is in tatters. Yet BROWN will only back up BUSH and his comments and appeal for peace. He should apply sanctions on HAMAS AND ISRAEL like we did to IRAQ. But MARR wont suggest that.

The MET OFFICE is a GLOBAL WARMING CONSPIRATOR. They say any other approach is a MYTH.

Our climate is COOLING. Since 2000 it has cooled. That is a FACT. It is proven by every statistic available. So why is this not reported ? This WINTER WORLDWIDE is the coldest for over 30 to 40 years. In some places the coldest on record. No explanation from the climatistas.

Would you care to explain why we are seeing the ICE CAPS back to pre 1979 levels this winter ?

This is the coldest DECEMBER on record ( only 1981 comes close )

JANUARY last year was cold - and now it looks as if this year will beat it.

This is GLOBAL COOLING. I think our carbon policies have worked.

At last admission by BBC of the MINUS 8 temperature in the MARCHES (- Herefordshire - Shropshire - Chester )

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7809353.stm

incredible that a WHOLE lake is frozen in North Wales. Stunning. This is easily the coldest snap I can remember in the last 45 years ( 1963 excepted )

BR wrote:
At last admission by BBC of the MINUS 8 temperature in the MARCHES (- Herefordshire - Shropshire - Chester )

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7809353.stm

incredible that a WHOLE lake is frozen in North Wales. Stunning. This is easily the coldest snap I can remember in the last 45 years ( 1963 excepted )

Does this not fly in the face of your original point that the BBC aren't telling the whole story? Better late than never??

I'm still waiting for an answer BR. Is it too much to ask? You did start this thread after all.

Climate change and weather are interlinked. Scientists have always been divided on climate change, just as some said we had a serious crisis with the hole in the ozone layer while others argued that it was a natural cycle. Before any of the recommended action was taken to help save the ozone layer the hole bean to close by itself. Mankind often finds it difficult to accept that things can happen without our influence. Nature usually has a away of taking care of itself.

If we are going to have another ice age there'll be nothing we can do about it. But I'll guess that's a long way off yet.

-11 where my cousin lives. -6 where I live.
Wonderful January weather!
It hit -6 in late December in my town about five years ago also, so it's not remarkable. Not really headline news material.

I always preferred winter to summer. If I'm cold there is much I can do to get warmer. If I am hot, especially if it's humid, there is little I can do to cool down. I find that very uncomfortable.

I heard someone say with surprise that they discovered how an elderly lady was living without double glazing or central heating. "How has dhe survived?" they asked. When I was a child we had neither of these. My grandmother didn't even have an inside loo, and only a tin bath. Generations have survived worse winters than this. Younger generations are not used to being without central heating or double glazing, so they can't easily relate. Yes, people died younger in the past, but that was true in the summer also.

It depends on what we are used to.

In 1979 we had 3ft of snow in places. I had to travel 16 miles to work, and managed to do so despite the weather. The same happened in 1991, but that time we also had a 3 day power cut. The milkman still got through. Now they close the roads and schools, etc. if there is more than two inches.

A lot of fuss over nothing really.

Angel - I believe the BBC are often slow in the face of a story. They tend to only report when everyone else has done.

The KATE NASH single on Radio 1 is a classic example of this as well.

Therefore I can see the argument that the BBC is large and slow - and that explains this.

But when it comes to announcing BROWN initiatives and poll moves upwards the BBC announces it immediately on News 24.

In addition the temperature structure used by the BBC and MET does seem to average out temperatures. This means that the climate is presented as warmer than it actually is. For instance the Welsh Valleys saw Half Inch Iron Pipes ripped apart ( I would say that temperature must have been below Minus 20 for that to happen ) and in Poole and various other places the SEA FROZE ( some incredible pictures ) which would need severe low temperatures because the water is usually moving.

So far in JAN i would say that in the first 10 days the average temp is around MINUS 2 for the UK or lower. It could be the coldest JAN since records began.

The Global Warming agenda is driven by Al Gore - the thing that is forgotten is that statistics plucked from specialist research can be used to prove anything.

Until we have seen temperatures warming for over 50 years then I think it is wrong to claim Global Warming. The Climate always changes.

Therefore the BBC is "promoting" a political campaign. Even Cameron has fallen for this as well I might add.

Thanks for the detailed response. Much appreciated.

BR - - there is a very important difference between climate and weather and Global Warming is the mechanism not the result, Climate Change is.

Taking that in account would lead to very different conclusions. Not doing so leads to error.