www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439604.ece

The moral of the story is - dont have anything on a PC that is a ) illegal or b ) subversive

Secondly for journalists and dissidents - have a PC that is not connected to the Internet for work purposes that therefore cant be hacked.

As this government continues to roll out the Police State without any opposition in Parliament it is the responsibility of individual citizens to take steps to protect their freedom.

One thing that we all know - BROWN does not like elections. He was not elected Prime Minister - he was not elected leader of his party. I believe he is trying to find an excuse to suspend elections in the UK.

This is where the Monarch comes in useful.
One legal expert confirmed during the coverage of the State Opening of Parliament that the Queen maintains the right to shut down Parliament if she feels it is in the interest of the country. If the government attempts to prevent elections, thereby abusing their position, she could do just that. She could then order elections on behalf of the people. It would be an extreme action on her part, but it is within her power.

but if BROWN gets the Liberals on board and declares a NATIONAL GOVERNMENT of EMERGENCY to deal with a ) Economic problems or b ) Middle East Nuclear War - will the QUEEN block him ? I doubt it.

The NWO has an agenda that DAVID ICKE set out in the 90s. It includes trying to start a nuclear war in the Middle East before 2012 and then implementing a CHIPPED society ( ID Cards then RFID implants )

Why 2012 ?

It seems that if the NWO dont act by then they will lose more of their power they have developed since starting the process with 9.11.

Can they be stopped ?

I believe there are so many people in the World aware of their plan that they may well fail to implement it. But the USA and UK are working hard to try and get a big war going in Israel this week - but they seem to be failing. Funny how BLAIR ( the UN peace envoy ) has disappeared at this critical time - surely he should be flying to Israel to sort this out !!!

I have said it before BR and I'll say it again

(and I will use capitals as you seem to like them)

you have NO IDEA what a police state is, and I find it offensive that you think we are in one here in the UK now.

As I have said before, I lived in Eastern Europe for many years and know what horrible suffering a REAL police state caused the family of my ex and his extended family. Please think twice before using the term POLICE STATE unless you know what it really means.

Imagine what kind of state your guru David Icke would establish if he were in charge.

He has never provided any proof of any allegations he has made but seems to love the adoration his followers heap upon him. Scary stuff.

1. I have mentioned David Icke but never have I said that he is my guru. I am a Christian and have stated that several times.

2. I have been the victim of the New Labour Police state since 2003. I have seen at first hand what they do to people who disagree with them publicly ( like I am doing daily by my views )

3. You claim to know so much about a Police State. Have you ever been arrested ( illegally ) been thrown in cells - been beaten up - been stopped regularly on the tube and driving - and been threatened and had members of your family threatened in either the Eastern Block or the UK ? Well I have had this experience.

Therefore I am totally entitled from my personal experience able to say 100% with hard evidence and witnesses that the UK is now a Police State. Anyone who stands up to it will be silenced. Damian Green likewise and so on.

I might add that David Icke has been ridiculed by the establishment and his books are not available except through the net. He has been sidelined by an extensive media campaign which calls him mad. Though he has over 50,000 visitors to his website each month and his prophetic comments have come true.

I suggest you read what ACPO are planning for the UK along with Jacqui Smith. We are the most surveilled and listened to population in the World. The Criminal Justice Acts have been decimated in the last few years and MILLION + have their DNA on the database who have never even been convicted or charged with any crime.

I have every sympathy for your family for what they went through in the past. I genuinely can understand what they have gone through - but please dont patronise me because I am flagging up "Possible" things which are taking place which could lead the UK into a fully blown Police State.

I might say that this year I have had a meeting with the Chairman of the Human Rights Committee of the Houses of Parliament to express my anger at what has happened to me. He was thoroughly decent and helpful - since then I have experienced no problems - so possibly like David Icke I will be allowed to voice my views in future without action against me.

If you lived under a Stalinist style East Europe police state then you certainly have my sympathy.

However I don't think we can ignore the what is happening and the way in which the UK government (and the US) has snatched extraordinary powers since the 9/11 and the advent of the so-called 'war on terror'.

There are a thousand examples-but the greatest by far and from which so many ills have sprung must be the illegal invasion of Iraq and the killing of up to a million innocent citizens and the displacement of 2 million others.

The fact that the 2 perpetuators of this war of aggression-for which the US/UK/Russian prosecuted and executed many Nazi participators during the Nuremberg Trials-George W.Bush & Tony Blair are walking free and feted for their actions.

It's there in a dozen other ways-eg :the use of sex offendor laws to arbitrarily further punish beyond the courts and to create a sub-class of criminal upon which all abuse can be heaped whilst being used as camouflauge to deprive citizens of their rights to a free press (and aided by a compliant media).

eg: as BR points out-the way police will now be able to invade an "Englisman's castle" at will.

We haven't yet reached the extent of the old Soviet blok countries-and I hope we never will. But forewarned is forearmed. I have absolutely no doubt that the present incarnation of Nu Labour is the most fascist style government I have ever winessed in my 60 years in Britain.

## regarding the sex offendor laws-I have a good friend who has just finished a 5 year stint as a "registered offendor" and is now completely free of all restraints that entailed (hence my interst in the matter). He has written to the Home Secretary, Police Commissioner and a dozen others to demand they now explain why he is a no longer a person of interst and how his status as an 'offendor' changes overnight.

He fully intends to take his case to the EU to prove that these laws are used as an extra punishment to deprive people of their rights. Probably take years.

Here is an interesting story linked to this issue.

We know there has been a tidal wave of legislation, but it is mind-boggling to discover the size of the tsunami. It is estimated that more than 3,600 new offences have been created. But even more astonishing, as Baroness Stern, a crossbench peer, discovered when she asked, is the number of these that can result in a prison sentence. Believe it or not, there are 1,036 that the official could identify. There may well be more.

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/p...-to-imprison-us.html

BR I'd like to apologise for the aggressive nature of my previous post.

you and I may not agree over many things here but I did not need to be so nasty.

That is an extarordinary article in the Telegraph and reflects my thinking.

I see the new fascism-not as in the old Nazi/Mussolini style-goosestepping Brown-shirts etc,but a far more subtle version that is still fascism it's truest sense ie: the creation of a corporatised state where all citizens are monitored constantly.

We now have every aspect of our lives recorded from birth. We are filmed everywhere we go-we almost cannot avoid breaking a law or regulation in a day's general movements.There are plans to have the DNA of every citizen recorded-already kids who apply for a passport will need to give their fingerprints.

Every advancement in science has a double edge-DNA has convicted and freed many people but is now being used to monitor us.

Common enemies are identfied-the 'terrorist' (Muslims and a third of the world-"Oceania"?)-'sex offendor' which the media laps up with tabloids practically financially survivng on sensational tales. Now children as young as 5 are being accused of sex offences ( surely a physical impossibiity !). Laws are enacted to solve every aspect of society-the 'yobs' or 'ferals', rather then tackle the obvious social problem of a disconnected generation.

Industry is decimated and moved off-shore for cheap thirld world labour and these corporations are not only encouraged to do so but financially rewarded with corporate welfare.

Just purusing the activities of one-Rupert Murdoch's News ltd, and you find a rogue company with loyalty to no nation but one which perverts good governance by exerting pressure on politicians to toe the line whilst avoiding paying it's fair share of tax. Multiply that by a thousand.

I've worked at various times in News Ltd. It once produced great journalists who did real work, like researching their subject. Now they churn out hacks who have no interest in what they write and who-the most bizarre thing to me-actually believe the tosh they read in rival rags!.

# I have to attend a family get-together in Manchester in March and don't like driving these days-the price quoted for a train ticket-£253.00 or nearly £400 1st class !. On trains we once owned-were sold off by Tony Blair (despite his pre-election promises to reverse privatisation)and which we now pay through the nose for a reduced service and still pay taxes to subsidise whilst the directors award themselves £million bonuses

veritas wrote:
I have to attend a family get-together in Manchester in March and don't like driving these days-the price quoted for a train ticket-£253.00 or nearly £400 1st class !. On trains we once owned-were sold off by Tony Blair (despite his pre-election promises to reverse privatisation)and which we now pay through the nose for a reduced service and still pay taxes to subsidise whilst the directors award themselves £million bonuses


Correction - members of my family worked in the railways. What happened was during the Thatcher years, the Government decimated the railways by decreasing funding. The aim was to privatise it.

The railways were finally sold off - for £1 - in 1997 just shortly before Blair got into power. It was the last thing the Tories privatised. They rushed it through as quickly and quietly as possible. They knew if they lost the election then it would be very difficult for Blair to renationalise it since it would cost way too much money...

Blair did say he was planning to re-nationalise some things, but the railways were not amongst them. So, the Tories did the dirty deed of privatising the railways and Blair never promised to renationalise it. My family were rather upset with Blair when he said he had no plans for the railways and that was on the ITV election debate just before the election which John Major chickened out of and sent Michael Heseltine in his place.

I travel by train a lot, and have done since before privatisation. The railways are better run now than when they were nationalised, so I have no complaints about that. When I'm buying a ticket I use trainline.com to book in advance. The normal price for a first class return ticket for me to travel to London was almost £400. I booked two first class singles for around £37 each. So there is always a way around high prices.

Al wrote:
The railways are better run now than when they were nationalised, so I have no complaints about that.

If you're talking about Virgin Trains... I wholeheartedly agree, but if you have the misfortune of having to use East Midlands Trains then you'd be thinking the railways have become a nightmare.

Richard Branson knows how to run a railway. I once had to travel to London from Liverpool. It was severely delayed and took 5 hours longer. Drinks were made free and as we left the train we were all given forms to fill and send. Within 2 weeks I was reimbursed my fare.

East Midlands however deliberately run single or two carriage trains at peak times resulting in overcrowding (and downright uncomfortable journeys) and the hell those morons have created for me and thousands of others is unthinkable. I complained to them... SEVERAL times... no reply, no reimbursement. They deliberately make it near impossible to contact them - they want your money but won't give you a decent service. These are the assholes who went on strike on Christmas Eve in 2006 and thanks to them, thousands were unable to get where they wanted to go for Christmas.

They are so bad a site has been set up about them and their dubious methods...

http://www.trainsardine.org/index.htm

and this is the rub and always will be with privatisation.

Some services will be better run..like some routes but less popular ones suffer or disappear completey as so many train routes have.

Transport should never be privatised as it's a common necessity like roads. As in train services-we could just abandon some roads to small villages because of the tiny population there.

And there's always a catch-as with my Manchester trip because I will go by road instead..using petrol and sending out poluting fumes and adding wear and tear to the roads which we al pay for via taxes again.

There is no such thing as a "cheap ticket"..you pay less one way but just pay more in another.

And standby for the next great scam...privatisation of the post office with the usual claim that the government should get out of a dying service..odd when private companies will be jostling to buy it.

And the morality of it all..services, generations of our families paid to build up with their taxes- sold off for a quck buck.

## I stand corected Elliot Peters but I do get Bliar and Thatcher confused. Is there a difference ??

ps: On my yearly visits to Oz I plan ahead and often travel in charter flights (although these have died out recently I expect them to be revived in a big way)..I've paid as low as 450 pounds return..it's abit further than Manchester though:woohoo:

Thanks David - I know how much these things effect people and therefore I can understand why you posted in such a way. I am trying to limit my posts about the Police State because I am personally effected and therefore may see things from a bias point of view - but I want to point out this article in today's mail.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107262...ted-crimes-jobs.html

This article shows that the Police Force has changed. It now accepts people with criminal records.

The interesting part is the near 150 comments by ordinary people. I do suggest you read this through - a combination of ex police and ordinary people nearly all believe that we are in a Police State. They give differing reasons. I dont think any of us know exactly why.

The conspiracy sites believe this is happening in ALL countries and is preparation for a GLOBAL Government and economy at some point in the next few years. I would hope they are wrong or that this can be prevented.

I have never travelled on Virgin or East Midland trains. I use the GNER (now National Express) main East Coast London to Edinburgh as well as Transpennine and occasionally the London to Brighton. The London to Brighton has improved since it was recently taken over. The transpennine route is far better than when under nationalisation, as is the main line National Express.

THOUSANDS of train spotters are being quizzed as potential terrorists at railway stations across the region, it was revealed yesterday.

Police are accusing enthusiasts of carrying out reconnaissance for a terror attack when they are simply noting down serial numbers and taking photographs of carriages, the Liberal Democrats claimed.

A total of 7,031 people were questioned under antiterrorism powers in 12 months at railway stations in the North-East, according to official figures.

Another 4,039 were targeted using separate “stop and search” (or reasonable grounds) legislation, a further 2,155 under “stop and account”

laws, and 32 using the Criminal Justice Act - taking the total to 13,257.

Last night, Lib Dem transport spokesman Norman Baker condemned the crackdown as “a worrying sign that we are sliding towards a police state”.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4025737.T...d_on_train_spotters/

One of my STOP and SEARCH was at KINGS CROSS when I was on my way to a record company meeting in the City.

I expect they recorded it as one of the Anti Terrorist number.

All that happened was that they stopped me for over 30 minutes without giving me a reason and made me late for my meeting. When I offered to open my bag ( which was full of CDs and my diary ) they were not even bothered.

There are loads of reports of photographers being stopped if they take pictures of bridges etc. I remember when I went to the Soviet Union we were told not to take pictures of anything strategic ( airports - junctions - bridges - power plants ) etc because we could be stopped.......

I never thought that would happen in Britain.

BROWN has achieved an embyronic Police State built on one bomb attack my UK muslims on 7.7.

Credit to the BBC NEWS 24 - one of their newsreaders savaged an Israeli spokesperson yesterday by saying
" We were bombed for 30 years by the IRA but we never went into Ireland and started a war "

I used to be so proud of our country and the way in which we acted in a civilised way.

Now we are no better than a TINPOT BANANA REPUBLIC complete with a criminal police service and corrupt politicians.

BR wrote:
Credit to the BBC NEWS 24 - one of their newsreaders savaged an Israeli spokesperson yesterday by saying
" We were bombed for 30 years by the IRA but we never went into Ireland and started a war "


The IRA was not the government of Ireland and so there is a major difference. Hamas is the government in Gaza.
When members of the IRA ran to hide in the Republic of Ireland the government there did not hide or protect them but instead helped us to track them down and bring them to justice.

No comparison really.