Today Brown has just said to Parliament.

" we are fighting against the Taliban to keep the streets of Britain free from Terrorism "

Just wondering whether you think BROWN is totally crazy - the jump from TALIBAN ( a small group of religious people who have never mounted a terror attack on any country ) to TERROR ATTACK on our streets - has to be the most unbelievable jump by a person mentally I have ever seen.

The TALIBAN have never attacked us - they never will.

BROWN has totally lost it and if he believes the TALIBAN are a threat in BRITAIN then he is even more deluded than TONY " WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION CAN DESTROY US IN 45 MINUTES " BLAIR.

These people are running the UK !!! They are MADDER THAN A MARCH HARE.

They believe things that even conspiracy theorists could never believe.

BROWN Is totally mad and deluded - and yet the media and many of you have not yet worked this out.

Remember - The TALIBAN have never run terror camps ( that was AL QUAIDA before the TALIBAN ) they have never had terrorists - they have never made a statement saying that they approve of terror. They are a small group of Guerilla Fighters who have fought against the SOVIETS in the 1980s and now against the USA in 2009 because they want to have a role in their country.

The TALIBAN are culturally not acceptable to the WEST - that is not a reason to kill them. I disagree with their Extreme Religious view on things - but I would never kill them.

It is time WE all woke up.

As I mentioned in another thread I'm somewhat at a loss as to why you have directed this thread to me. Have you now reached the pass where you probably believe that I am Mr Brown? I can assure you I'm not.
So let's examine what you have written in some detail;

Today Brown has just said to Parliament.
" we are fighting against the Taliban to keep the streets of Britain free from Terrorism "

Yeah. That's exactly the sort of thing he says. Not just today. If you take a look at Hansard or transcripts of interviews you'll find he has said this or used other words and phrases to convey the same message repeatedly since he took office. Prior to that Tony Blair said pretty much the same thing in the weeks, months and years since July 2005. It's amazing that you have a bee in your bonnet right now about this message being something new for the government. It's not new, and if you were being honest you'd check your facts and admit that it's nothing new.

"Just wondering whether you think BROWN is totally crazy - the jump from TALIBAN ( a small group of religious people who have never mounted a terror attack on any country ) to TERROR ATTACK on our streets - has to be the most unbelievable jump by a person mentally I have ever seen."

I don't think Brown is totally crazy. He has a political agenda to work to and within. It may seem crazy to you but given some of the strange things you accept as "fact" I think you should be a little more circumspect in making judgements about other peoples' logic. You have yourself proved to be a paragon of inconsistency over the last few days.

"The TALIBAN have never attacked us - they never will."

That much is true if only for the very good reason that they simply don't have the capacity. What do you think they might do, throw rocks at us?

"BROWN has totally lost it and if he believes the TALIBAN are a threat in BRITAIN then he is even more deluded than TONY " WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION CAN DESTROY US IN 45 MINUTES " BLAIR."

Again you're making a judgement originating from a bankrupt argument based in sophistry. Brown may not be telling the truth. But who's truth is that anyway? I don't accept his truth certainly. But by the same token I refuse point blank to believe most of the stuff you try to sell me. And by the way Blair never said that we were under threat within 45 minutes. He said Cyprus was under threat within 45 minutes. Not quite the same thing. He was lying, of course, we all know that. But how much of the truth were you bringing to us in that one sentence I just quoted?

"These people are running the UK !!! They are MADDER THAN A MARCH HARE."

They're politicians. And I'm still aghast that you think that politicians telling lies is either a new phenomenon or a practice exclusive to New Labour. Doesn't make them mad. Makes them liars. Again, not quite the same thing.

"They believe things that even conspiracy theorists could never believe."

They present things, that's all. It's called "spin". Attributing them with a belief system is as pointless as taking a lighted cigarette to your own forearm.
Incidentally, I notice yet another shift in your approach to conspiracy theorists. A couple of days ago it was "we" - despite your claims that you "aren't really one yourself". Now it's "they". You really should make up your mind which side of the fence you're on.

"BROWN Is totally mad and deluded - and yet the media and many of you have not yet worked this out."

And you have, have you? Did you do that all by yourself? Listen, I'll say this again, because apparently you're not listening. He's the Prime Minister. He lies on behalf of the government. We ALL know that. You apparently "have not yet worked this out" {to coin your own phrase}. He's a politician. If you want someone to tell you the truth you need to look elsewhere. Though finding someone still dealing in that rare commodity is pretty difficult these days.

"Remember - The TALIBAN have never run terror camps ( that was AL QUAIDA before the TALIBAN ) they have never had terrorists - they have never made a statement saying that they approve of terror."

I'm actually with you on this one.

"They are a small group of Guerilla Fighters who have fought against the SOVIETS in the 1980s..."

Well actually that was the Mujihadeen. But don't let the small fact that you have completely misunderstood the nature of the various conflicts in Afghanistan over the last 25 years get in the way of your argument.

"...and now against the USA in 2009 because they want to have a role in their country."

Umm. OK.

"The TALIBAN are culturally not acceptable to the WEST - that is not a reason to kill them. I disagree with their Extreme Religious view on things - but I would never kill them."

Again agreed. Killing is wrong.

"It is time WE all woke up"

Once more we are in accord except for one small detail. It's all very well for you to advise that people wake up. But to what? Do you want them to wake up to reality? Because that isn't a land you appear to recognise terribly well yourself. I'd like you to consider - just for a moment - that it might just be you who might benefit from a moment of real wakefulness. The dreamscapes you regularly present as the "truth" here aren't a counrty that I recognise from my own bright mornings.

did he really say that ?

if he did I agree..he's nuts if he believes people will believe him.

The Taliban and which navy ?

Today Brown has just said to Parliament.

" we are fighting against the Taliban to keep the streets of Britain free from Terrorism "

It's clear to me {and I'm no fan of either the government or the war in Afghanistan} that he was referring to the cosy relationship between the Taliban and Al Q'aida and the running of terrorist training camps by the latter being permitted by the former.

What is also clear is that the labelling of anyone who can easily see that as "mad" is quite a strange argument to make.

to the contrary..the Taliban are also Afghanis and it's us that invaded them with absolutely no moral right.

Whatever one thinks about Al Qaeda (whoever they are..a bunch of loosley connected dissident groups lumped together as one terrorist bunch)..I reckon the Taliban have every right to fight their invaders any way they can.

If that means going into the invaders country to cause havoc that is what happens in war. To think they won't do otherwise defies all human history.

Of course it's forgotten that just after 9/11, the Taliban ( a pretty retrograde nasty bunch but nonetheless the government of Afghanistan ) said they would hand over Bin Laden to the USA if proof was provided that he was responsible for that horrific event.

That sounds pretty reasonable to me and lawful. That proof was never forthcoming-indeed it's never been given to the world.

They then offered to hand him over to a third Islamic country for trial. What they got in response was an invasion and devestation.

That's the same Taliban government that were feted at the White House 9 months previously by George W.Bush and handsomely rewarded for their efforts in seeing of that other superpower-Russia.

If Gordon Brown thinks he will defeat them then he is bonkers..no-one else ever has or is likely to.

But of course he's merely spouting platitudes to make up for the deaths of British soldiers with shonky equipment-sent by politicians who spend more on their duck ponds and mortgages.

As Naom Chomsky says-"the way to stop terrorists is to stop being one yourself"

Robert Fisk's 'The Great War for Civilisation' is the most comprehensive book on the recent decades of Afghan history especially as he 's covered all the conflicts there and agrees-no western country will ever win a war there.

But the conflict could bring about the collapse of the Pakistan regime..then Gordon Brown should really worry..and so should all of us.

It was even stranger that DAVID CAMERON then said that it was to fight Al Quaida.

There are no training camps in Afganistan and have not been since 2001. There are some in Pakistan yet we are not at war with Pakistan.

Therefore even CAMERON seems to have totally lost his marbles about this.

Why can ALL three of our major parties not see that WAR IN AFGANISTAN is

a) Not winnable ( Russia failed )

b) A waste of time and money to fight over a mountainous region with no resources.

c) Strategically questionable ( there is no route and no oil here )

d) The enemy is a small force of Guerilla fighters who back an extremist religious organisation ( Yawn ) they are discredited in any case.

e) Afganistan itself destroys more lives each year because of its POPPY crop and the drug trade.

f ) More people DIE EACH YEAR in the UK from the HEROIN made in Afganistan yet our troops are not protecting us from that by destroying all these crops and making Heroin a thing of the past.


So once again our politicians are showing that they have not really looked into this war. They are out of touch with reality and the people of the UK want to get out of the war.

Last night 78% of those who had voted in a Daily Mail poll were against the war and wanted to pull out.

A few more deaths and that will go up to 90%.

Time to end this silly war and save our lads lives.

Veritas And BR;

In the light of JK's plea for peace what I am about to say may look terribly like diplomacy taken to an almost ridiculous level. However, I would draw your attention to the fact that I have never... never... supported the campaign in Afghanistan - as I think I have said many times here - and this should be borne in mind in making judgements of the following words.

I agree with everything in both of your last submissions here.

Hope that doesn't look craven, and I'd recommend that you look back on my previous outings for proof of the sincerity of that statement.