The POLICE can kill a man - and it is on camera - yet face no charges or discipline.

A TEACHER can write a private letter on the internet Facebook site - and be suspended.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202210...-Facebook-class.html

The funniest thing about this was that the "Teacher" who complained COULD NOT EVEN SPELL simple words.

This shows that this Government has placed people WITHIN the system with NO ABILITY to spy on other people and weed out anyone who expresses an opinion which is againt the NEW LABOUR directives.

Lets be honest - most state schools are appalling. We all know that from personal experience and the very few decent ones are oversubcribed by thousands each year and the appeals process is growing every year as parents fight to escape from the growing number of "sink" schools.

Labour has destroyed Education. They put money into the system but tied it to a Political Agenda rather than actually teaching anything to kids. The decent teachers left the state system a long time ago - and those who remain are usually sacked like this for daring to want good standards.

1997 - 2010 will go down as the DARK YEARS for the UK. The time the country was driven into debt - lost its manufacturing - lost its international reputation - put money into war not people - and became as evil as Nazi Germany in its Big Brother Orwellian style of Government.

Anyone who votes labour at the next election will only do so if they have been brainwashed or they are financially benefitting from Labour being in power/

Not sure who you think was placed in the system to spy on others. The complaint was made by the fellow teacher who she was in conversation with. Some people are just like that, without the need to be government plants. I've met several over the years.

The whole selection of teachers and police is now on the basis of political correctness. They actually only employ those who would "spy".

This roots out the free thinkers from schools and colleges and the police force. Some call it "PROFILING" where they ask a load of questions to analyse whether you are a non free thinker.

The only jobs now where creative types can be are in media arts - music - computing. Genera media is under the control of the "state" and the "commercial companies"

Even the corporate music companies now act like this - so any bands which challenge then are not signed. So dont expect another Pink Floyd or Bowie or Pistols. The current bands sing about sex - money - drugs or environmental concerns. No genuine danger about them.

If a Corporate Band decided to sing about some of the ideas of David Icke for instance they would not be play listed by the media - on that basis alone.

BR wrote:
They actually only employ those who would "spy".



Surely the one who was reported was also, at some point, employed by them. Your claim is quite a condemnation of a huge number of teachers who I'm sure are very decent and honourable people.

Teacher training institutions are packed with "PC left wingers" it is a well known fact.

Those who are easily indoctrinated make good PC teachers and dont question the training. Yes - there are good teachers but they are in a minority these days.

The others are just there to carry out the New Labour political agenda. I suggest you ask a teacher if this is the case. Most will quietly admit to you that this is happening - but hey they get paid OK and in a recession they wont rock the boat. They will be very critical if you get them on their own and give them a few drinks

"Teacher training institutions are packed with "PC left wingers" it is a well known fact."

If it's such a well known fact it should be easy for you to offer us a definition of "PC left wingers". I invite you now to do so. Please, just once, give me direct answer instead of a hand waving body swerve. Oh, there I go, mixing my metaphors again....

Seriously, though. Please give us a definition. If you can't manage "left wingers" I'd simply be fascinated to know what "PC" means. Not what it stands for {which IS a "well known fact"} but what political correctness actually IS. Because it seems to me that the only people who bang on about "political correctness" are those who really believe that political INcorrectness would actually be a good thing.

Just this once, BR, try being straight and clear in your answer.

www.bpp.org.uk/bppl21.pdf

"Teacher training institutions are full of PC left wingers".Sounds like fascist propoganda from the likes of the NF and the producers of this odious leaflet from the seventies.

PC = Politically Correct.

If you have ever worked in public services you will see that they have now employed people on jobs like Diversity Officers ( £50K ) and those who are to tick boxes about race - gender - and other things that are PC ( Politically Correct )

I dont have time to explain to you the whole PC thing - just google it and learn - cant imagine that being "PC" has escaped your attention.

In terms of education I suggest you read some of the books published by Educational Researchers ( Many of them from the Insitute of Education off Russell Sq ) in the last 30 years which propose methods of teaching which try to dumb down the curriculum because the left wing belief that everyone is equal needs to be applied to academic achievement.

Things to look out for in a school dominated by the PC Left wing agenda is that they dont have Sports Teams - they have loads of awards ceremonies for things that dont need awards ; such as just turning up for school or doing homework on time ) because they believe those things should be rewarded first above academic achievement.

The more extreme amongst them actually believe Academic achievement is divisive and elitist. Therefore they would not agree with their students applying to Cambridge or Oxford - even if they were clever. Because they do not believe in elitist institutions.

For those who disagree with them - it is a dumbing down of ordinary kids and a preparation for slavery. The left wing educationalist follows an X FACTOR approach to life - saying anything is possible - but only through luck and so the LOTTERY and X FACTOR are major influences in many young children in these sorts of schools as the "Holy Grail" to be achieved.

These children are not required to work hard in the conventional sense and should not be told that they even have wrong answers. When marking their work RED INK is not allowed - only purple or green - because that is non judgemental.

I could go on - but surely that is enough of the dogma of PC in schools to give you a taste - and this is happening in all our schools these days that are in the grip of New Labour.

It is pure propaganda. In this system all religions are equal but Christianity is seen as an aggressor religion and the crusades are sharply criticised.

free speech is not allowed. If you speak out against these sorts of views you will find yourself "out" of the PC cliques that exist in many school staffrooms.
But worse than that your promotion chances are NIL under New Labour.

Until schools are free from political dogma ( of all types - whether it is the Conservative League Tables and survival of the fittest OR the New labour dumbing down or the FAUX CARING of the New Liberal's with their green agenda ) we will see educational standards in relation to the rest of the world slide.

Our schools were excellent up until the 1960s. Then this corrosive series of political ideas invaded the classroom and turned our children into pawns for our political parties to indoctrinate in the hope of staying in power for longer.

Schools should be removed from political control in the UK. Only then will we get an education system fit for a country of our standing in the World.

So you can't - or won't - explain why you think that, carrying your own logic to its logical conclusion, political incorrectness is a better option. Giles is right. Your use of the phrase "Teacher training institutions are full of PC left wingers" carries an explicit message;
"Teacher training institutions should be places where teachers are taught to use words like coon, yid, queer and gyppo. Let's explore further.

"PC = Politically Correct."

I know that. I just don't see why you think that it's such a bad thing to teach people that non sexist, non racist thought and speach is a something to be desired.

"If you have ever worked in public services you will see that they have now employed people on jobs like Diversity Officers ( £50K ) and those who are to tick boxes about race - gender - and other things that are PC ( Politically Correct )"

Muddled thinking, BR. There are much higher paid jobs in the distinctly unPC world of business - those reptillian capitalists you're so keen on telling us about. And what boxes are you taking about? You mean those peole who teach kids not to beat up other kids because they're black? Twit.

"In terms of education I suggest you read some of the books published by Educational Researchers ( Many of them from the Insitute of Education off Russell Sq ) in the last 30 years which propose methods of teaching which try to dumb down the curriculum because the left wing belief that everyone is equal needs to be applied to academic achievement."

In terms of education are you sure that I wouldn't be better off read Mein Kampf or anything by Julius Striecher? Obviously it's better to believe that some people are superior to others who, frankly, should be gassed. You plainly have no time for the concept of "equality".

"Things to look out for in a school dominated by the PC Left wing agenda is that they dont have Sports Teams - they have loads of awards ceremonies for things that dont need awards ; such as just turning up for school or doing homework on time ) because they believe those things should be rewarded first above academic achievement."

You read too much nonsense. And once again you contradict yourself. You said earlier that ALL schools are dominated by PC left wing agenda {by virtue of the fact that all the teachers are indoctrinated}. Yet now you draw distinctions between those which are PC {unesireable; no sports teams, little academic achievement, no homework} and those which aren't {beating up the pakkis, kicking the fat kids and producing fine academic specimens who will probably go on to make splendid members of the Bullingdon Club}.

"The more extreme amongst them actually believe Academic achievement is divisive and elitist. Therefore they would not agree with their students applying to Cambridge or Oxford - even if they were clever. Because they do not believe in elitist institutions."

A remarkable comment, and probably one of the most stupid statements I've heard in a long time. Still, it can't be quantified either way but it should be noted that it's highly unlikely that even one school in the UK would actively discourage even one of its pupils for aiming for Oxbridge.

"For those who disagree with them - it is a dumbing down of ordinary kids and a preparation for slavery. The left wing educationalist follows an X FACTOR approach to life - saying anything is possible - but only through luck and so the LOTTERY and X FACTOR are major influences in many young children in these sorts of schools as the "Holy Grail" to be achieved."

Ah. Conspiracy Theorist claptrap again.

"These children are not required to work hard in the conventional sense and should not be told that they even have wrong answers. When marking their work RED INK is not allowed - only purple or green - because that is non judgemental."

Been reading the Daily Mail again, have we?

"I could go on - but surely that is enough of the dogma of PC in schools to give you a taste - and this is happening in all our schools these days that are in the grip of New Labour."

Give me a taste? You mean a taste of the real world or the bizarre, surrealist landscape of BR- World? Things are a long way off being perfect. But I'd suggest that the bleak circumstances of your summing up will not be solved simply by being non PC.

Oh, hang on, though. You haven't finished yet, have you? Despite "I could go on - but surely that is enough of the dogma of PC in schools to give you a taste" we next get;

"It is pure propaganda. In this system all religions are equal but Christianity is seen as an aggressor religion and the crusades are sharply criticised."

It staggers me that so many Christian thinkers appear to believe that they know what other people are thinking about them and how they are viewed. How do you know that Christianity is "seen" as an agressor? But while we're about it, how would YOU percieve the invasion of a foreign land in order to impose one way of life onto another. Whether we're taking about Iraq or Afghanistan {and God knows we've heard enough from you on those subjects...} or The Holy Land {on which your views are, apparently, rather different} it all boils down to the same thing. Aggression. And Christian aggression at that. Twit.

"free speech is not allowed. If you speak out against these sorts of views you will find yourself "out" of the PC cliques that exist in many school staffrooms."

Another example of a sweeping statement by someone on the outside who thinks he knows what's going on on the inside but doesn't. I'd suggest, BR, that you find it a struggle to understand what's going on even in your own head. Your contrary and self contradictory statements would certainly appear to suggest so much.

"But worse than that your promotion chances are NIL under New Labour."

And your evidence for this is...?

"Until schools are free from political dogma ( of all types - whether it is the Conservative League Tables and survival of the fittest OR the New labour dumbing down or the FAUX CARING of the New Liberal's with their green agenda ) we will see educational standards in relation to the rest of the world slide."

You're right that standards are slipping. You're perfectly correct that successive governments have comprehensively fucked up the schools. We are turning out a generation who seem only ever to be represented as airheaded, celebrity worshipping, knife wielding morons. For this I blame a society dominated by greed, self serving and the pleasure of immediate peronal gratification via the marketing man. You, on the other hand, appear to blame a culture which attempts to teach people the value of community, diversity and respect. You're wrong.

"Our schools were excellent up until the 1960s. Then this corrosive series of political ideas invaded the classroom and turned our children into pawns for our political parties to indoctrinate in the hope of staying in power for longer."

Our schools were "excellent" then because our teachers were excellent then and kids had something to look up to rather than the X Box and drunken, drug taking celebrity arseholes. They were "excellent" then because the 11 plus system ensured that those who made the grade were noticed. Those - and they were the majority - who didn't went off the radar at that point. Although a return to that sort of system had its advantages {what wouldn't I do for a world without Kerry Katona?} the point remains that millions of kids never had a chance, the same chance that you would, today, deny them.
Unfortunately the rest of your statement is your usual nonsense. It's not the schools that make the voters stupid it's themselves with their slavish devotion to Big Brother, TV soap opera and tabloid hype. That's where they get their opinions from, not the schools who so sadly fail to educate them.

So once again, BR, you manage to almost entirely immerse a few slivers of gold in your usual ton of tiresome rubbish. PC isn't to blame for this mess. And you fail entirely to convince me that the concept of Political Correctness is a social evil {and I notice that you also fail entirely to explain why you think otherwise other than that you see it as an assault on your own religion}. Political Correctness has banished from our culture the idea that it's OK to harrass women on the street with wolf whistles. It's made it unacceptable to kick the shit out of someone simply because they're the "wrong" colour or religion or sexuality. It's removed "darkie" jokes from our TV screens and it's expunged, hopefully forever, the prospect of Nazi propoganda ever again having its corrosive effect on our young. I'd say that, even if that's not a glowing record it's a damn good start.

excellent post, Locked Out.

*applauds*

Thank you, David. Nice to see you're still around.

My family are a family of teachers/lecturers. I spent 10 years doing it as well and have many friends doing it. Therefore your suggestion that I am only commenting from the outside is hugely wrong. I am telling you exactly what happens in schools. The "baa baa black sheep - looney left stuff" was media invention. But the propaganda aspect since 1999 has pervaded every aspect of our schools.

You accuse me of being racist and sexist because I dont agree with a Politically Correct agenda. Typical response - to try and call someone a racist or sexist because they dont agree with you. I dont even want to explain my track record in both those areas needless to say I have been a champion of breaking female stereotypes in the music industry and continue to be so.

I have not got a problem with other people's views or belief systems. I just wish our schools were non political places. I have already agreed with you that Tory intervention in the 80s was wrong but they paved the way for total manipulation by New Labour of the young people at many schools.

We are now reaping the reward of a system where the PC dogma says everyone is always right. It pervades the FALSE ALLEGATIONS culture ( if you are wronged then make an allegation - get even ) or if you have an argument then ( Pull out a knife in self defence ) you are entitled to kill or maim the other person. The figures about this do not lie.

You asked me to explain - I did so in far more depth than is required on a forum. The fact that you did not like my answers is fine.

I stand by my original statement that TEACHERS do not have free speech anymore. Or the same freedoms as other citizens in the UK. They are now "state servants" with everything that the phrase suggests.

Go on a teacher training course - or a social work course - and you will spend more time on silly policies than dealing with classroom issues and subject ideas. Lesson plans are king where you follow a script for your lesson ( ask any teacher ) yes an APPROVED script for your lesson. If that is not losing FREE speech then I dont know what is. ( We are not talking about a plan like in the past - this sort of plan is a word for word document which even gives "outcomes" etc.

I just think you have answered why you dont know and why I do know. You are totally on the outside. I was on the inside and remain connected to the inside of education.

BR your problem is that you think you know everything and that the rest of us are thick and cannot see what you perceive as truth.

I am an educated man and find your attitude patronising.

Oh dear, do we really have to go through all this again? Apparently so.

"My family are a family of teachers/lecturers. I spent 10 years doing it as well and have many friends doing it. Therefore your suggestion that I am only commenting from the outside is hugely wrong. I am telling you exactly what happens in schools. The "baa baa black sheep - looney left stuff" was media invention. But the propaganda aspect since 1999 has pervaded every aspect of our schools."

It may well be that you have a long and distinguished familial background in education. That doesn't even begin to back up your claims as to what is going on in every staff room in every school across the land. Still less does it make you privy to the freedoms of speech enjoyed by every teacher in this country. In short, you were - and still are - unqualified to make the claim you do in the thread title, which would require a much wider knowledge base and polling of sources than you present as your "argument". Friends and family - even a large family are not that many people in relation to the whole of the teaching profession.
I'm reminded here of your claim a short while ago to be well informed on Dick Cheney's covert political activities on the grounds that your daughter works for a company who work for him. That argument was probably even more fatuous than the one you present here, but never mind.
You can't possibly be telling me - or us - exactly what happens in schools. You might have an idea. But you don't make suggestions {as, indeed, is the case as far as I am concerned and we'll examine that later}, you make statements, like "Teachers dont have free speech in private". You can't possibly know that because you aren't privy to more than a few of the conversations which are going on. Suggest by all means. I'll have no problem with that. But to pose as if you are passing on definite fact is disingenuous, and this really should be pointed out to you.

"You accuse me of being racist and sexist because I dont agree with a Politically Correct agenda."

Where? I didn't, and you really should read these things more carefully.

"Typical response - to try and call someone a racist or sexist because they dont agree with you. I dont even want to explain my track record in both those areas needless to say I have been a champion of breaking female stereotypes in the music industry and continue to be so."

I didn't try to suggest anything of the sort, and I'd invite you to tell me where I did. I simply asked you why you thought that it was such a bad thing to teach children not to be racist or sexist, something which you still don't appear to be able to address. Please do not attempt to twist my words. I was clearer in my posting than you suggest. And if I wish to convey a particular message I will do so clearly and concisely rather than "trying to call" you something. I made it clear that I think you're a twit. No "trying" there, it's as clear as a bell. You are simply muddying the waters here because you don't like your pet theories {which you present as verifiable fact} being demolished at some length.

"I have not got a problem with other people's views or belief systems. I just wish our schools were non political places. I have already agreed with you that Tory intervention in the 80s was wrong but they paved the way for total manipulation by New Labour of the young people at many schools."

Again, begins OK but ends as conspiracy theorist crap. What do you mean by "total manipulation"?

"We are now reaping the reward of a system where the PC dogma says everyone is always right. It pervades the FALSE ALLEGATIONS culture ( if you are wronged then make an allegation - get even ) or if you have an argument then ( Pull out a knife in self defence ) you are entitled to kill or maim the other person. The figures about this do not lie."

PC dogma? Everyone is always right? I honestly can't be bothered with this paragraph, it's pointless raving and has absolutely nothing to do with the free speech of teachers.

"You asked me to explain - I did so in far more depth than is required on a forum. The fact that you did not like my answers is fine."

Can you tell me why you consider this forum {which enjoys a degree of intellectual freedom which is rare these days given the rise of the Twitter mindset} to be an unsuitable place for you to be called to account for the strange claims you regularly make here? You think, perhaps, that you should not have to justify your words because it's "only a forum"? You make big claims. And you shouldn't be surprised when asked to enlarge on them. If you think that that presents a level of intellectual rigour which is out of place on the internet - or here - then you clearly have little expectations of intelligent conversation and you insult your readers in making a case for brevity. If you have replied more fully than usual it's because usually very few people challenge you. That should not be taken for granted as universal agreement with your position or acceptance of your views, however. I for one don't think it is.

"I stand by my original statement that TEACHERS do not have free speech anymore. Or the same freedoms as other citizens in the UK. They are now "state servants" with everything that the phrase suggests."

I've already pointed out why I feel you are not qualified to make this claim or present it as a statement. Unless you are prepared to back it up. You seem reticent to do that in any relevent or meaningful way. I wonder why that is?

"Go on a teacher training course - or a social work course - and you will spend more time on silly policies than dealing with classroom issues and subject ideas. Lesson plans are king where you follow a script for your lesson ( ask any teacher ) yes an APPROVED script for your lesson. If that is not losing FREE speech then I dont know what is. ( We are not talking about a plan like in the past - this sort of plan is a word for word document which even gives "outcomes" etc."

You think it's absurd that lessons are planned? You surely don't expect me - or anyone else - to accept that teachers are no longer allowed to involve themselves in conversation with their classes, do you?
No ad lib at all? No calling up the scriptwriters when an unexpected question comes up? Anyway, whatever the situation is, the classroom was not the inspiration for the thread. You claimed that teachers no longer have freedom of speech because of something which happened on Facebook. Not quite the same thing.

"I just think you have answered why you dont know and why I do know. You are totally on the outside. I was on the inside and remain connected to the inside of education."

You don't. As has been very clearly pointed out to you. Try again.

Have you read the books by VERNON COLEMAN ? one of the best selling authors in the UK ?

Thought not.

Try

"LIVING IN A FASCIST COUNTRY"

where you get the full explanation of how we have lost free speech - with dates of each act and law. Countless examples of how New Labour has stopped free speech and countless examples of the way in which the education agenda has been used.


This is not a personal argument - you have a different opinion to a significant number of people who have provided the evidence ( you asked for it ) to back up their view.

I dont know everything ( who does ) but if that means I cant have an opinion then equally it means you opinion is just as worthless.

Why dont you get a copy of the above book ( Written in 2006 ) and not on any Conspiracy Theorist book list - and actually go through the work of someone who is 100% on writing about this subject.

I would be interested in your views after you have read the book.

You asked for evidence - it is all in that book. 343 pages of text.

I am not a Conspiracy Theorist as you already know. I believe in FREEDOM and I am a Christian ( but not religious - so you wont find me with a placard or telling people they have to belong to a church etc )
I base my views on evidence but allow for faith as well.

I just dont see why you want to be so argumentative about a story which is pretty straight forward.