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TOPIC: Lockerbie - always dodgy
#48330
Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Whilst the meejah goes hand wringing about "should we have released the bomber?" I say "was he really the bomber?".

And the answer. Justice stinks - there is no justice.
 
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#48334
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Tam Dayall thinks he's innocent,and I'm tempted to think there's something rotten with this whole thing.

Oh and don't forget chrocodile tears Clinton going on about justice,while Guantanamo bay goes back to military tribunals.
 
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#48335
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
absolutely JK.

Personally, I find myself sort of believing that Libya might have agreed to take the blame for Lockerbie and to put up a stooge for trial, as they were desperate to get back into the international community because the sanctions were taking their toll.

I also think it could be possible that Hillary Clinton also knows this but that she has to show outrage to pander to US public opinion.

But of course I could also be wrong.
 
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#48340
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Was Magrahe the real bomber? I don't know and - at this point - it no longer appears to be relevent as far as I'm concerned. Amid the hysteria coming from across the Atlantic the only thing pertinent for me is;
"this man has probably fewer than 3 months to live. Hillary, you want him to die in prison. What for? And exactly how uncivilised do you wish us to be?".
Cold justice from the Land of the Free, it seems. God save us from Christians who preach forgiveness and practice none.
 
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#48341
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Yes a bit of decency and kindness from our so called civilized societies would go down very well over here but sadly the rule of the brain dead mob and the simplistic tabloid headline editors seem to rule the West.
 
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#48344
robbiex

Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
They were much more prompt about releasing this guy, than they were about releasing Ronnie Biggs whos's crimes were much less.

It is fair to say that Ronnie Biggs is obviously no longer a threat, whereas Magrahe was a terrorist and thus could organise some sort of revenge attack. He still has all his faculties and is treated as a bit of a hero in Libya.
 
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#48346
JC

Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
I watched the emotion driven interrigation of the Scottish Justice Secretary by Wolf Blitzer on CNN, and I thought he (the Scotsman) came across very well. All Blitzer could do was repeat the same questions such as "Do you know of any other mass murderer released on compassionate grounds?" and "Do you realise you'll have to live with this decision for the rest of your life?" - both totally pointless questions. The Scottish minister told him that while no compassion was shown to the victims of the bombing, that did not mean that Scotland should lower itself to the level of the criminals by following their example. Good for him.

I have no idea whether this man was guilty or not. I suspect most people do not really know.

I abandoned CNN before they started to parade the relatives of the dead. It was getting a bit sickening. I couldn't help thinking what a fuss America would make if Iraq demanded custody of American soldiers who were thought to be responsible for massacres over there. Of course, that would be different.
 
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#48348
Angel

Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
I'm proud as a Scot to see that the Scottish Executive didn't bow down under pressure from the Americans. Well done Kenny!
 
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#48352
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Seems the press have got the wrong idea over this.

Libyan people were celebrating that a miscarriage of justice had been set right,not the release of a terrorist.

From the BBC today.

'British relatives' spokesman Dr Jim Swire, who lost his daughter Flora in the atrocity, reiterated his view that Megrahi had "nothing to do with" the bombing.
"I don't believe for a moment that this man was involved in the way that he was found to have been involved," he said.

Easy to forget thst Lockerbie was very probally a revenge attack against the Yanks,and the Brits because of the bombing of Libya by Ronnie Reagan in 1986.This deliberately targeted Gadaffi personally,and many innocent people lost their lives.
If you live by the sword ...etc.
 
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#48353
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
And my friends Johnny Beerling and Bernie Andrews think Megrahi looks exactly like me.

I've answered, all sad white haired old men in baseball caps look the same.
 
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#48354
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Incidentally, anyone see a murky link between Biggs and his compassionate release and Megrahi?

Could one have been set up to justify the other?

I really simply just don't trust anyone anymore.
 
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#48355
BR

Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Can I just point out that Hilary Clinton is part of the reptillian elite agenda - and is certainly not a Christian. She in fact bats for the "other side" and this is well documented all over the internet.

Forgiveness is the Christian message - I agree. Therefore the Scottish Parliament have shown that they are doing the right thing.

It is time to stop this division between Islam and the West. There is no need for this.
 
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#48367
dixie

Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Should he have been released on compassionate grounds?
NO. Not if he blew up the plane.

Should he have been found guklty?
No.

That's the problem. He has been released for the wrong reason.
 
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#48373
veritas

Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
it was always a dodgy case and many of those who had family members who died at Lockerbie believe so as well.

But even if he was guilty-it shows up the utter crassness of the decision to keep Ronnie Biggs in jail and then release him.

People become political footballs..ugly stuff.
 
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#48398
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Methinks the lady (FBI Boss) doth protest too much; howls of complaints tend to imply masking the fact that the appeal might well have revealed some very, very nasty secrets illustrating the bent and corrupt justice systems.
 
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#48404
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...nnocent-1776188.html

Latest headline

'Christine Grahame: Al-Megrahi is home. And he is innocent'
 
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#48405
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
excellent article, IA, thanks for posting.
 
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#48406
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
Excellent article and I have to say it crystalises my own feelings though I know practically nothing in detail about the case, for or against.

It's just that the entire affair stinks and, after my experiences with the judicial system, I know that does too.

Before it happened to me my assumption was that, generally, we get it right.
Now I assume that generally and intentionally, we get it deliberately wrong because of a few individual agendas.
 
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#48407
veritas

Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
In this strange world where one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, the FBI has published a letter of outrage on it's website over the release of the Lockerbie 'bomber'.

Not a mention though of Iran Air 655 on a flight from Iran to Dubai, blasted out of the air killing 290 just 6 months earlier by the USS Vincente on the claim they mistook it for a jet fighter.

No apologies, no trials or convictions for those who did it, no compensation for family members..nothing.. zilch.

And they wonder why we are hated.
 
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#48488
Re:Lockerbie - always dodgy 14 Years, 8 Months ago  
The thing that strikes me about this is the very public response to the whole affair is little other than the sort of hatred we condemn in the {alleged} Libyans behind the attack on PanAm 103. If all we can do is sentence people to death, what exactly makes us so bloody superior? Perhaps we should consider retitling our government ministers. Can I suggest the renaming of "Minister for Justice" to "Minister for Vengeance"? It appears that that's all we want. I can understand the feelings of those whose relatives died in the attack. But if all we can do is deny dignity in death in return, then what gives us the moral high ground?
There's something else. Much has been made of the waving of Scottish flags in Tripoli. If a middle eastern country is so ethusiastically demonstrating its admiration for the civilised behaviour of Scotland, I'd say there was a lesson to be learned. When was the last time you saw the Cross of Saint George held up in admiration in that part of the world? Scotland has done more by this single act of humanity to heal the wounds between east and west than anything the rest of us have achieved in more than 6 years of "hearts and minds" military campaigning. Alec Salmond has long been one of the more admirable British politicians. I'm an English voter. I just wish that I had the choice to return to Parliament someone with even half the moral courage the SNP have showed with this compassionate action.
 
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