I have spoken many times about the fact that the reason for the PAEDOHYSTERIA in our legal system and media is to COVER UP the real PAEDOPHILES who operate in Government. There were TWO NEW LABOUR CABINET MINISTERS ON THE OPERATION ORE LIST who were covered up I might add. Here is a list of 75 that I have taken from a discussion - just to show how many LABOUR and TORY activists have been convicted etc.

GLITTER and other celebs are being hung out to dry when in reality the REALLY DANGEROUS people are in GOVERNMENT - and yet use the system to cover up their crimes. Some of them I may have mentioned before I might add. Why did not they not use a NEW LABOUR CABINET MINISTER or COUNCIL LEADER instead of GLITTER for the TV programme this week ? I would love to know why CHANNEL 4 did not choose one of these 75.

This list is not exhaustive and there are probably many more I might add :
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April 2009 A former Wigan councillor who downloaded child porn and had a gun and ammunition in his safe was jailed for six years. A court heard that Joseph Shaw's offending came to light after his daughter found the indecent images on his computer. Liverpool Crown Court heard that Shaw had been a Labour councillor for Wigan West for three years and also a member of the Greater Manchester Transport Authority,


Labour Councillor (Stoke/Staffordshire), Michael Barnes, put forward a motion in July 2004 to change the constitution of Stoke-on-Trent Council. In November 2004, the civic-minded and virtuous Councillor Barnes appeared at North Staffordshire Magistrates Court, to face seven different charges relating to child pornography

Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Halton/Cheshire), Liam Temple - Convicted in 2004 of `Inciting a child under 16 to commit an act of gross indecency` after the 58-year old Labour pervert had attempted to molest a 12-year old girl. During the case, the brave youngster told the court via a video link: “He said if I let him touch me he would give me money”. This Is Cheshire - Ex-Mayor guilty of sex charge

Labour Councillor (Coxhoe/Durham), Les Sheppard - Convicted in 2004 on ten counts of indecent assault on young girls. Jailed for 2 years, and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years. Teeside Crown Court heard how 71 year old Cllr Sheppard lured his victims into his gold Porsche before driving them to remote spots, where he would submit them to sickening sex attacks. After his arrest, he told police “I love women, but you do things which you regret”. Sheppard’s `women` victims were between 9 and 13 years old. The Northern Echo - Wife's anguish at sex attacks on girls

Labour MP (Sheffield/Yorkshire), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days in 2004, after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover. BBC NEWS | UK | England | South Yorkshire | MP suspended from Commons

Former Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire), Raymond Coates - Charged along with his son Philip Coats in 2003, with child rape, using threats to procure a woman for sex and, wait for it… inciting a woman to have sex with an animal. Coats junior was sentenced to 13 years in prison for his part in the Father & Son rape and bestiality double-act, although the trial of 76-year old Raymond Coats was abandoned after the court ruled he was too ill to stand trial. Agreeing to the indefinite postponement, Judge Paul Hoffman said: “With enormous reluctance, and I emphasise that, enormous reluctance because it is unsatisfactory that these very serious and nasty charges should remain unresolved, I am going to order a stay on this basis. If the evidence were to demonstrate a recovery, the stay can be revoked”. I agreed to have sex with the father of my husband so I wouldn’t lose my son (From York Press)

Labour Councillor (Wokingham/Berkshire), Nelson Bland - Convicted on 16 counts of possession and distribution of hardcore child porn in 2004. Sentenced to community service, placed on the sex offender’s register and ordered to attend rehabilitation classes for paedophiles. Bland used his own teenage daughters computer to hoard his grotesque gallery of child abuse, which was discovered by police during a search of Bland`s home, when they arrested him in connection with the murder of a Nottingham businessman. BBC NEWS | UK | England | Berkshire | Child porn councillor spared jail

Labour Councillor and Mayor-Elect (Merton/London), Sam Chaudry - Due to become Merton’s first Asian Mayor, before he was arrested, tried and convicted of multiple sex attacks on young girls in 1999. One of his victims was a 5-year old. www.newsshopper.co.uk/archive...y.var.258160.0

Labour Mayor (Burnley/Lancashire), Peter Swainston - Convicted of committing `Acts of gross indecency` with another man in a public toilet in 1997. Forced to resign as Mayor, although he remained on the Council. This Is Lancashire - Shamed mayor stands down

Labour Councillor (Halton/Leeds), Lee Benson - Convicted and awaiting sentence in 2005, after pleading guilty on 12 counts of possession of indecent images of children, featuring youngsters between the ages of 5 and 11. Benson, who has a child of his own, repaid the fools who voted for him by storing his revolting kiddie porn collection on the computer provided for him by the council. Benson has been `suspended` - not expelled - by the Labour Party, which means his name remains on the Labour Party membership list, as well as on the sex offenders register. As to which is the more shameful - take your pick! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...kshire/4257867

Labour MP (Rhonda Valley/Wales), Chris Bryant - Poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as “Horny as buggery” and says, “I'd love a good long ****”. BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | MP 'sorry' over underpants photo

Labour Councillor (Bridgend/South Wales), Iestyn Tudor Davies - Convicted, jailed for 7 years, and placed on the sex offender’s register for life in 2005, for repeatedly raping a 9-year old girl. BBC News | WALES | Councillor jailed for child rape

Labour Councillor (Newham/London), Greg Vincent, who was the Election Agent to Labour MP Tony Banks at the 2001 General Election - Convicted and given a 2-year community rehabilitation order in 2003, for possession of hardcore kiddie porn films and photos, featuring children as young as 8. One of the photos the Labour Councillor found so entertaining, featured - as described in court - a girl aged around 10, naked except for a dog-collar, being assaulted and abused while her hands were tied behind her back around a beam. Vincent was also a School Governor. Adult Male Survivors Of Sexual Abuse ~ AMSOSA UK ~

Prominent Edinburgh Labour party activist and election candidate, Rab Knox - Convicted and jailed for 3 years in 2005 for a horrific sex attack on a woman passenger in his taxi cab. Knox had previously been dubbed Labours “Mr Anti-Sleaze” in Scottish political circles due to his unimpeachable integrity and general all-round saintlyness. Top bloke! edinburghnews.scotsman.com/in...m?id=180892005

Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire), David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for ************ in front of 2 young boys.

Labour Mayor (Todmordon/West Yorkshire), John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed in 1986 for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her
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Labour Party Official (North West England Regional Officer, and parliamentary adviser to the Home Office Minister responsible for crime and policing, Hazel Blears), Peter Tuffley - Convicted and jailed for 15 months and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years in 2006, for the sexual molestation of a 13-year old boy that he had previously `groomed` on the internet. Tuffley was described as a `rising star` within the Labour Party - which is nothing to be proud of either! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/536848

Labour Councillor (Northampton/Northamptonshire), and former School Governor, Alec Dyer-Atkins - Convicted and jailed for 2 years in 2003 for downloading more than 42,000 pictures and films described in court as “Horrifying images of child abuse”. Dyer-Atkins was a member of an international paedophile ring called `The Shadows Brotherhood` which was successfully penetrated following stirling work by Britain's National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU). Commenting on the conviction of the depraved Labour Party beast, NHTCU Deputy Head, Mick Deats said: “This man had some of the worst images on his computers that officers from this unit have ever viewed”. Ex-local councillor gets two years for online child abuse ? The Register

Labour Mayor and Council Leader (Westhoughton/Lancashire), Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years in 1998, for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day. Leigh Journal - Child rape man jailed

Labour Councillor (Hornchurch/Essex), Alan Prescott, who was also a senior magistrate - Convicted and jailed for 2 years in 2001, for molesting children at the East London care home where he was the superintendent. Prescott, described in court as a “pillar of his local community” admitted carrying out sex attacks on four teenage boys as they slept in their beds. Former councillor jailed for sex abuse | UK news | The Guardian

Prominent Kent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) - Convicted and jailed for 15 years in 2002 for sexually assaulting a girl of 9, and raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions. And no, that’s not a miss-print. She was FOUR YEARS OLD. BBC NEWS | UK | England | Babysitter jailed for rape of toddler

Labour Parliamentary candidate (Cheadle/Cheshire), Paul Diggert - Subject of a 2002 police investigation into the alleged procurement of underage girls for sexual purposes via internet chatrooms. According to the `Sunday Mirror` (3/11/02), Diggert had admitted to having four underage girls that he was `grooming` for sex. In 2004 Diggert was convicted of making and distributing indecent pictures of children. "Paul Diggert - Google Search

Labour Councillor (Westlands/Worcestershire), Keith Rogers - Convicted, fined, and placed on the sex offender’s register in 2003, after downloading over 2,000 hardcore child porn photos on his computer. Worcester News - Town `honour' for child porn councillor

Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe/Durham - In Tony Blair's Sedgefield constituency), Martyn Locklin - Convicted on 8 counts of rape and indecent assault on teenage boys in 2001, and jailed for 15 years (reduced to 12 on appeal). Locklin was a top local Party bigwig on first-name terms with Tony Blair, after escorting the PM during visits to his constituency on several occasions. The judge also put the Labour rapist on the sex offender’s register for life, telling him: “You will be watched for the rest of your days. You need to be”. Darlington and Stockton Times - Ex-councillor has sex abuse sentence cut


The above perverts are ones that got caught but it is not unusually for the Labour Party to actively try to cover up the Paedophile activities of its members. Take the case of Labour Party activist, social worker and serial child-molester Mark Trotter. Trotter, who was Hackney’s children’s home manager had been reported to the council on a number of occasions during the 1980’s for child abuse.
However he was protected by his follow party members for years by which time he had infected a number of young boys with AIDS - a condition which he died from in 1995 just as the police net was closing in on him.
And it doesn’t end there!!!

Labour Councillor (Northampton/Northamptonshire), and former School Governor, Alec Dyer-Atkins - Convicted and jailed for 2 years in 2003 for downloading more than 42,000 pictures and films described in court as “Horrifying images of child abuse”. Dyer-Atkins was a member of an international paedophile ring called `The Shadows Brotherhood` which was successfully penetrated following stirling work by Britain’s National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU). Commenting on the conviction of the depraved Labour Party beast, NHTCU Deputy Head, Mick Deats said: “This man had some of the worst images on his computers that officers from this unit have ever viewed”.

Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.
Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

. Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who’s job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour’s current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

. Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats - Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

. Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as “Horny as bu**ery” and says, “I’d love a good long f**k”.

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

. Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. “I was only looking for badgers” he said.

. Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

. Labour MP, Joe Ashton - Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

. Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine - Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation.

. Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright - Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download porn.

. Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

* Senior clerk Phillip Lyon, who arranges the weekly Prime Minister’s Question Time for Tony Blair, was arrested after vice cops raided his Commons office.Lyon, 37, is accused of making indecent images of children.
* The Labour Party in Calderdale has been plunged into a crisis as their lead candidate, and former Mayor of Hebden Royd, Stewart Brown, has been arrested on suspicion of child porn offences.

Labour Councillor and Deputy Council Leader (Northumberland), John Whiteman, who was also a senior member of the local police authority - Convicted and fined in 2002 for soliciting a prostitute in the red light district of Middlesbrough. The court heard Whitman was arrested in his car as Police discovered him in a “state of undress” with a lady of the night he had just paid £35 for sex. He subsequently resigned from the council.

Labour Councillor (Stoke/Staffordshire), Michael Barnes, put forward a motion in July 2004 to change the constitution of Stoke-on-Trent Council. The proposed amendments were designed to prevent the City’s two British National Party councillors from chairing any committees, so as to `protect` the good citizens of Stoke from the beastly BNP types they’d voted for in huge numbers to represent them. As Mr Barnes explained to the local paper, the move was “to prevent the BNP from exerting more influence”, and was “in the best interests of the people of Stoke-on-Trent”. A few months later, in November 2004, the civic-minded and virtuous Councillor Barnes appeared at North Staffordshire Magistrates Court, to face seven different charges relating to child pornography

Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack

Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Halton/Cheshire), Liam Temple - Convicted in 2004 of `Inciting a child under 16 to commit an act of gross indecency` after the 58-year old Labour pervert had attempted to molest a 12-year old girl. During the case, the brave youngster told the court via a video link: “He said if I let him touch me he would give me money”.

Labour Councillor (Coxhoe/Durham), Les Sheppard - Convicted in 2004 on ten counts of indecent assault on young girls. Jailed for 2 years, and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years. Teeside Crown Court heard how 71 year old Cllr Sheppard lured his victims into his gold Porsche before driving them to remote spots, where he would submit them to sickening sex attacks. After his arrest, the Labour nonce-case told police “I love women, but you do things which you regret”. Sheppard’s `women` victims were between 9 and 13 years old.

According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr. Blair?

Yusef Azad - One of Ken Livingston’s overpaid left-wing cronies on the London Assembly gravy train - Resigned from his 60K-plus a year job `assisting` Assembly members, after being arrested on suspicion of downloading child porn in 2003.

Labour Councillor (Wokingham/Berkshire), Nelson Bland - Convicted on 16 counts of possession and distribution of hardcore child porn in 2004. Sentenced to community service, placed on the sex offender’s register and ordered to attend rehabilitation classes for paedophiles. Bland used his own teenage daughters computer to hoard his grotesque gallery of child abuse, which was discovered by police during a search of Bland`s home, when they arrested him in connection with the murder of a Nottingham businessman

Labour Councillor and Mayor-Elect (Merton/London), Sam Chaudry - Due to become Merton’s first Asian Mayor, before he was arrested, tried and convicted of multiple sex attacks on young girls in 1999. One of his victims was a 5-year old.

Labour Councillor (Halton/Leeds), Lee Benson - Convicted and awaiting sentence in 2005, after pleading guilty on 12 counts of possession of indecent images of children, featuring youngsters between the ages of 5 and 11. Benson, who has a child of his own, repaid the fools who voted for him by storing his revolting kiddie porn collection on the computer provided for him by the council. Benson has been `suspended` - not expelled - by the Labour Party, which means his name remains on the Labour Party membership list, as well as on the sex offenders register. As to which is the more shameful - take your pick!

Labour Councillor (Bridgend/South Wales), Iestyn Tudor Davies - Convicted, jailed for 7 years, and placed on the sex offender’s register for life in 2005, for repeatedly raping a 9-year old girl

Labour Councillor (Newham/London), Greg Vincent, who was the Election Agent to Labour MP Tony Banks at the 2001 General Election - Convicted and given a 2-year community rehabilitation order in 2003, for possession of hardcore kiddie porn films and photos, featuring children as young as 8. One of the photos the Labour Councillor found so entertaining, featured - as described in court - a girl aged around 10, naked except for a dog-collar, being assaulted and abused while her hands were tied behind her back around a beam. Vincent was also a School Governor

Prominent Edinburgh Labour party activist and election candidate, Rab Knox - Convicted and jailed for 3 years in 2005 for a horrific sex attack on a woman passenger in his taxi cab.

Labour Party Official (North West England Regional Officer, and parliamentary adviser to the Home Office Minister responsible for crime and policing, Hazel Blears), Peter Tuffley - Convicted and jailed for 15 months and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years in 2006, for the sexual molestation of a 13-year old boy that he had previously `groomed` on the internet. Tuffley was described as a `rising star` within the Labour Party - which is nothing to be proud of either

Labour Councillor (Hornchurch/Essex), Alan Prescott, who was also a senior magistrate - Convicted and jailed for 2 years in 2001, for molesting children at the East London care home where he was the superintendent. Prescott, described in court as a “pillar of his local community” admitted carrying out sex attacks on four teenage boys as they slept in their beds

Labour Parliamentary candidate (Cheadle/Cheshire), Paul Diggert - Subject of a 2002 police investigation into the alleged procurement of underage girls for sexual purposes via internet chatrooms. According to the `Sunday Mirror` (3/11/02), Diggert had admitted to having four underage girls that he was `grooming` for sex. In 2004 Diggert was convicted of making and distributing indecent pictures of children

Labour Councillor (Dagenham/London), Terry Power - Forced to resign in 1999 after being arrested and charged with sex attacks on teenage boys. Details of trial and conviction to follow.

Labour Councillor (Westlands/Worcestershire), Keith Rogers - Convicted, fined, and placed on the sex offender’s register in 2003, after downloading over 2,000 hardcore child porn photos on his computer

Labour councillor Ex-Paston councillor Gilbert Benn (48) A former city councillor was a five-year jail sentence for molesting an 11-year-old boy and threatening the youngster’s mother in a bid to cover his tracks.

gosh..whatever happened to MPs in net stockings and gas masks ?

When I see reports about someone having downloaded 20,000 child porn images on their computer, I have to ask myself where did the images come from? I'm surfing the Internet a lot of the time and I've never come across any. I mean, they're not exactly something you can Google, are they?

I've been told that although there were many of these sites on the Internet ten years ago, they've all been closed down now and the one or two sites still going are entrapment sites controlled by the police and the FBI.Give your credit card details to them and you're for the high jump.

However, the definition of child porn has changed a lot in the past few years. Even a seemingly innocent, non-sexual photo of a 15 years old boy in shorts leaning against a tree in the woods would probably be classed as child porn these days.

Quite often the Police say they found " 20,000 images on the computer " which can often mean 19,995 are innnocent JPEGS often as cookies from websites or a family photo album.

This then gets twisted into the 20,000 images of Child Porn by the process of reporting - and makes the story seem BIGGER than it is. It is basically SPIN and is an allowable part of the POLICE and NEW LABOUR tactics to create PAEDOHYSTERIA.

The reason why Glitter's name was used was because he was a semi-high profile pop star of yesteryear, whearas knowone has heard of these guys that you list and thus knowone cares about them. People in the uk love to see others fall from grace.

robbiex wrote:
The reason why Glitter's name was used was because he was a semi-high profile pop star of yesteryear, whearas knowone has heard of these guys that you list and thus knowone cares about them. People in the uk love to see others fall from grace.

I think people are more interested if they recognise who they are reading about. Good story and all that etc.

Windows {no matter which version} creates multiple copies of any image you download {I think up to 8 copies exist throughout your OS}. All of these {unless you have a really good barrister who knows the score and is up for challenging the police - a dangerous pastime in itself - on this and can get the count reduced to a more realistic level} tend to get produced by the police as "images". However many barristers either can't be bothered {especially the legal aid ones} or meet with obstructive practices {like technical reports being "unavailable" up until the very last minute}. Given this fact it's easy to see how 10 images can become 80 or 90, and 500 {a figure which would, even in this day and age, only result in a caution} can become 4,000 {which would get you 6 months to a year minimum with even a sensible judge}.
I think we should take the figure of 20,000 with an exceedingly large dose of salt.
Any number is unacceptable, however, if they truly were graphic nudes. We shouldn't kid ourselves that this isn't a harmful "market", and there ARE people who make huge amounts of money out of sexualising children.

I recall that young girls...11 and 12 years old...were screaming hysterically and actually throwing their knickers at Gary Glitter at his on stage concerts back in 1973. It looked like they actually wanted him to ravage them and maybe they did. What they ever saw in him, I don't know. But then again, I was a male. It would be interesting to hear from women who were young girls back then and who used to scream hysterically at Gary Glitter and throw their knickers at him and hear them explain why they did it and what they saw in him.

Excellent posts Locked Out and Angel. Agree with you.

You only have to look at the behaviour of hormonally supercharged girls down the ages to see that their behaviour is basically a way to express themselves. A totally innocent way for most. What our society in 2009 is doing is trying to harness that sexual awakening and turn it via Sex Education and the Media into something more concrete and real. That is why I disagree with ramming sex ed. and sexualisation into the heads of hormonally supercharged kids. It is bound to lead to under age pregnancy and MORE experimentation - under the age of consent when the kids should just be innocently admiring a pop star or movie star and maybe in extreme cases throwing their underwear........ LOL

I might add that when I saw Glitter at Wembley Arena in the 90s women were still screaming for him and getting het up !!! I have no idea why. He was a Pantoesque Performer who always provided full value for the ticket price I suppose !!

I'm very much in favour of education and information and don't agree, BR, that it provokes activity... with the details must come moral values and practical advice.

Kids will always make mistakes; decent adults guide them wisely and responsibly.

As for GG, his older, pantomime performances were magnificent, over the top, tongue in cheek displays of villains and heroes and cartoon caricatures; marvellous shows with, of course, great music and I think the fan reaction was deliberately over the top too.

I think kids will and always have experimented with sex when the urge kicks in but for the last 20 years guilt has been bred into them.

It's a bizarre situation-children are exploited sexually by adults in advertising for profit and made to feel dirty or guilty at the same time. No wonder everyone is confused.

I agree with JK's assessment of GG..I first saw him in a free concert in a park when he first developed the persona and was blown away....rhythmic jungle drumming with TWO drummers..over the top, brilliant, exciting. And we had no idea who he was. High camp.