www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255439...xual-encounters.html

Admittedly, what exactly he did is a little vague. The accounts I've read state that he hid one camera in his bathroom, in which case, if he was recording women on the toilet, then I wouldn't argue with his sentence and perhaps even say he got off lightly.

However. Each report seems to be explicit in stating that the reason why he has been jailed, and the reason why his victims were 'devastated' is that he secretly filmed himself having sex with them. Under UK laws introduced by nuLabor, this is deemed sexual voyeurism. Although he made DVDs of what he recorded, there is no suggestion he ever showed them to anybody else.

What I'd like to know is - if I'm having sex and I happen to catch sight of myself and my partner in my mirror, is it sexual voyeurism and do I deserve to go to prison? Is it only voyeurism if I actually enjoy watching ourselves making love in the mirror. Or perhaps only if the person I'm having sex with isn't aware there is a mirror in the room?

It's probably already occured to most of you, but I somehow forgot to point it out : this case obviously has relevance to those who have had the attractive idea of recording themselves whenever they have a sexual liason - for proof of consent in case of any subsequent false rape allegations.

Blackit wrote:
[quote]It's probably already occured to most of you, but I somehow forgot to point it out : [b]this case obviously has relevance to those who have had the attractive idea of recording themselves whenever they have a sexual liason - for proof of consent in case of any subsequent false rape allegations.[/[/b]quote]

Yes, that argument would go down well in court. I do hope you're joking.

No, I'm not joking. Recording your sexual encounters as a means of safeguarding against false rape accusations is something that is seriously talked about on forums like this - places which discuss how to prevent and survive such accusations.

And quite understandably so. I guess it's deciding which is the greater risk - being falsely accused with no means to confirm consent took place, or the possibility that you will be arrested for voyeurism.

But really, what do other people here think about this case? Veritas? JK?

I was being too generous. Filming yourself having sex in your own bed should not lead to jail, even if there is an element of (private) voyeurism involved. This country is ******! At least it is if you're a man!

Utter tosh Blacklit. To secretly film an intimate encouter to safe guard yourself is downright bloody evil! You're paranoid.

The title of this thread is misleading. He was not jailed for filming himself. He was jailed for filming his sexual encounters, which meant filming his sexual partners without their knowledge.

He deserves jail if that's what he did.

I think it's evil to be so flippant about the false rape accusations that destroy the lives of thousands of men each year. Particularly on this board.

What about someone whose life has been destroyed by a false rape accusation? Do you think it's still evil for THAT man to record his sexual encounters for proof of consent?

And if this guy was showing his recordings to other people, it would be a completely different matter. If they were for his own personal use then it's just an extension of a visually recalling his sexual encounters. Do you think I'm evil if I make a deliberate attempt to retain memory of a particularly great sex session years later. After you've had sex and your partner says 'that was great', do you feel the need to rejoinder : 'agreed, but do you mind signing a consent form so that I can visualise this in my brain when I'm a lonely old man without being accused of sexual voyeurism, when experiences like this are just distant memories'?

I think blacklit is spot on and having cameras is a great way to protect one self from false allegations.

At the same time he has admitted he may look in mirrors and is a potential voyeur so should turn himself in and be registered..for our protection !

Surely there should be a law that forces glass installers, builders etc to report all bedrooms they may have mirrors strategically placed !

I'd like children who inadvertently walk in on their parents arrested also and put on a voyeurs register.

I'm sorry but filming someone having sex with you without their knowledge and keeping the film on dvd is an abuse of their trust in a very intimate moment and just plain wrong.

I think dragging false accusations into this is irrelevant.

It's as bad as the argument for blanket CCTV coverage- 'if you haven't done anything you have nothing to worry about'- ffs.

Well, if you look at the comments underneath this tabloid report of the story, you'll see that a lot of people have problems with this man having his life destroyed (bear in mind the kind of 'hang-em-high' comments that sex offence stories normally recieve ):

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-...-lovers-is-jailed.do

david wrote:
I'm sorry but filming someone having sex with you without their knowledge and keeping the film on dvd is an abuse of their trust in a very intimate moment and just plain wrong.

I think dragging false accusations into this is irrelevant.

It's as bad as the argument for blanket CCTV coverage- 'if you haven't done anything you have nothing to worry about'- ffs.

it's a difficult one david..filming oneself for protection and violating another's rights !

what about public toilets etc that have security cameras..I only noticed the other day there is one in my lift !!..after 10 years I finally noticed it. God only knows what it's filmed me doing.

Celibacy is the only way now.