You really should have alleged some kind of sexual element if you wanted to win all that compensation. Media far prefers it, as do jurors, police and judges. It's like pepper and salt with the main course.

I'm sure future claims against teachers will remember to include it.

oh for goodness sake JK.

Here you go again...

'14 year old boy not assaulted by innocent teacher'

Nobody is questioning that the boy was seriously assaulted by the teacher. It seems clear he was. The question was over the intent. The man has not been sentenced yet, but will be.

I have every sympathy with the teacher under what seem to have been very difficult circumstances, but don't try and turn this into something it isn't.

I thought it was a good result from the Jury. They clearly saw that the "rampant youth" had been goading the teacher and deserved a good hiding !

If a few more such youths were beaten senseless then maybe the rest would learn ?

In Saudi Arabia thieves have their hands cut off ... but it only happens once or twice a year. The others soon get the message. Sometimes you have to be cruel (to a few) to instil some disciple in the many.

I know David - but he was acquitted of serious crime and the boy's family "stormed out, upset"... it was very wrong indeed of him to hit the boy and I'm joking about the missing allegations - but you take my point? How many innocent teachers wrongly accused of sexual assault are in jail without one shred of evidence other than someone's word?

It's all so strange when I think how teachers could belt us with canes until we were in tears and got away with it.

I do remember a phys-ed teacher-a young olympic gymnist who joined us in the showers and 'playfully' patted our back sides all the time. perhaps I could sue for compo.

The trouble is I thought he was incredibly handsome and enjpoyed the attention and I think some of us competed for his attention. Perhaps we were all a bunch of young perverts.

We had a boy like that at my school. In those days corporal punishment was permitted. He received it only once, after much patience and tolerance from the teachers, but that one whack stopped his bad behaviour (in school anyway). It was only after they banned school discipline that the schools became undisciplined ( how surprising).

I know corporal punishment was abused by some teachers, but that was due to a lack of regulation. One of our teachers was sacked for lining some of the boys against the gymnasium wall and repeatedly kicking a football at them. A good discipline structure would likely avoid cases where a teacher is allowed to be pushed beyond the limit where he lashes out. We all have a breaking point.

I don't know why anyone goes into teaching these days. Teachers have zero authority and zero protection but are under maximum suspicion.

Emma Bee wrote:


I don't know why anyone goes into teaching these days. Teachers have zero authority and zero protection but are under maximum suspicion.

very well put, Emma.

All the feedback I've had from friends who have gone into teaching has been horrific. Stress levels I could no way cope with, though I did consider teaching as a way back into work, since my background is in training and I love kids.

It seems the tables have been turned- from teachers tormenting kids, to kids tormenting teachers. Neither is right, yet we can't seem to find a happy medium.

I have horrid memories of a kid being dragged out of class, hearing him howl with pain and seeing the teacher come back into class throwing the cane against the blackboard in rage. That in my view is child abuse.

As I said, we need to find a 'happy' medium. Both kids and teachers need respect.

JK is totally right on this and has hit the nail firmly on the head.

Males especially should not teach. The chance of an allegation are now around 60% of the profession because the "kids" realise they dont need to prove any allegation. The system finds the teacher guilty immediately - though as this case proves a JURY are harder to convince without evidence.

The CPS should drop all cases in the next week involving any teachers where there is no direct evidence to prove a crime has been committed and I agree that a "story" is not enough to take anyone to court.

JK was unfairly put on trial and convicted like many others of a crime that requires no evidence. The only one on the statute books that does not need any evidence and that includes that the people involved even met.

Hopefully a TORY government will bring in new guidelines on these sorts of things.

It is worth noting that 95% of all abuse allegations that go to court are either dropped or aquit the defendant - because without a "smoking gun" no jury should find anyone guilty of abuse on just a persons ' word.

This teacher was very hard done by - he needed support not a criminal case/

BR wrote:

The CPS should drop all cases in the next week involving any teachers where there is no direct evidence to prove a crime has been committed and I agree that a "story" is not enough to take anyone to court.

Hopefully a TORY government will bring in new guidelines on these sorts of things.



A Tory government wouldn't change anything in a case like this, as no one is disputing the fact that the boy was very seriously assaulted. In this case it seems the teacher has been treated sympathetically.

Yes - the Tories are no answer - they will go along with tabloid headline morality. Only the LibDems have a truly sensible and intelligent prisons policy (one reason why I will vote Clegg).
Likewise, it's not always black and white. There ARE awful bastards as teachers who bully and threaten. Just as there ARE genuine abusers who harm vulnerable children and adults. We need common sense and the law catering to individual cases.

And we need stronger punishment for false accusers, corrupt or lazy police, bent CPS prosecutors, bad judges - all these are getting away with it, profiting from lies and greed, bringing society to its knees.

Basically JK sums it up in his last post but I hope it's not a sign of age..but perhaps I should be happy it is, but I perceive that discipline in school was soo much better in my day !

Of course this teacher was wrong but why should he lose his career over one mistake ?..and if he has a family should they suffer ?

But it's not all about discipline. You cannot have ramapant governments moaning on about everyone being able to have everything..when they can't ..and a media pusing every facile angle in show-biz as though that's allt ehre is and so on and have a huge disaffected section of comunity who are left out...without concequences.

Yes..Cameron will be just the same.