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These men will languish in a foreign jail - GBH in the UK would not lead to being remanded in custody as far as I am aware - so why are we sending these 5 men over there for a "different" type of justice ?

These extradition orders only seem to be going one way.

We never seem to hear of ANYONE being sent to the UK to face trial ? Can anyone name ONE case where this has happened.

Our LEGAL SYSTEM is being run by people from OUTSIDE our country ( THE NWO ) and we must end these extraditions now.

Only MURDER or TERROR ATTACK or INTERNATIONAL FRAUD should be an extradition offence. All these silly small things - and an attack on a football player ( Handbags by the sounds of it ) are not worthy of sending people abroad.

You cant get a fair trial in the UK anymore - let alone Greece of all places where the system is well known to be awful.

In fact any FOREIGN person in the UK system gets no justice - if you cant speak the local lingo then you might as well give up because the legal systems rely these days on "testimony" rather than actual evidence. So if you are unable to give testimony - then only one side is really heard. Translators are usually appalling. We will never know for instance whether the GLITTER case in the Far East was actually a trial - or an attempt to fleece GLITTER for cash by the local justice system.......though GLITTER has issues it is clear - it would not be unknown for local justices to see an opportunity to make serious money.

Why is UK Justice basically in such a mess.

I spoke to a Leading Barrister from TEMPLE last week about the UK system. He told me cases are now "a game" rather than a real trial. They go on regardless of whether someone is even involved ( If defendants dont turn up for any reason including illness - the trial goes on without them and with no defence !!!! unbelievable new law passed by NEW LABOUR recently without the PRESS knowing - it is contained in the new CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT which came into force in MAY 2010 literally a day before they left power !!!! )

NEW LABOUR have ruined the system. They have turned the UK into a POLICE STATE and the current COALITION basically have their hands full with the ECONOMIC crisis - so I cant see much change apart from the headline Big Brother changes ( which are welcome )

The UNDERLYING problem with the new CJA is that it now considers any defendant GUILTY until proved innocent. So the trial will continue even if you have ( as a defendant ) no part in it !!!!!

Outrageous - and until the MEDIA wake up and read the new ACT the POLICE STATE is alive and kicking.

I am suprised that the NEW ACT has not been mentioned in the MEDIA at all - I find no mention ( go to the CPS site to read the Act if you want to see what NEW LABOUR have done to UK JUSTICE - download some of the forms - in the first document ( P&M as it is called ) it actually tells you that you are "Guilty" and that if you dont make it to the trial then it will continue without you !!! INCREDIBLE !!! and yet the MEDIA have ignored this and the LEGAL people dont care because they get paid more because of this. Typical of BLAIR's mates in the CHAMBERS to stitch up the system in their financial favour before being voted out of power.

Extradition is another STITCH UP by NEW LABOUR.

BR wrote:


Our LEGAL SYSTEM is being run by people from OUTSIDE our country ( THE NWO )...


Well thanks for clearing that up for me. The problem is, as usual, foreigners.

So who are these foreigners who so brazenly dictate British Legal Affairs?
Take the Queen, Illuminati from her corgi-soiled shoes to her diamond encrusted head... New World Order Stooge and - err - British {well, a bit German as well, but we agreed not to mention that any more during the Great War}. Mind you, she does own the USA as well, so I guess that makes her at least a little American. Never heard her say "Holy crap" or "Jeez, Philip, you're such a putz", though.
Or the Royal Institute For International Affairs. Well, that's British too, and a major player as a NWO front, .
The Freemasons, who have long lent their title and deeds as almost the nom de guerre of the NWO, are an organisation founded by a Scotsman. Not much un-British about that.
The boy Blair and the man Brown {sorry, should I have spelled those names in capitals?} were both born and bred in the UK and, as BR is always telling us they're NWO to their very bones {and, of course, Blair is hugely Illuminati}.
And all the Presidents of the USA up until Obama {they'd be stretching it a bit to try and claim an English bloodline there, but there's time yet I suppose...} have been from English families {oh and guess what... they're all related to each other as well as the aforementioned Lizard Queen}.
There are enough NWO lick spittles here in the UK already... God knows, BR is always driveling on about them. Yet, it seems, none of them are here at all. Or perhaps they are. Let's face it, if BR tells us something {nuclear attack, anyone?} the chances are it's rubbish.
For anyone interested in reading something truly amusing about the New World Order I'd thoroughly recommend this site
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/New_World_Order
And if you, BR, wander in here later telling us that you think it's brilliant and funny and thank me for posting the link I, along with several others, will assume that in truth you are fuming at having had your pet lunacy dismissed in this way.
Have fun, all.

Thanks BR, from the article:

"Mr Hughes, who also played for Fulham youth team, Sutton United, Croydon Athletic, Bromley and has since played for Welling, was left in a coma after being kicked, stamped on and hit with a bottle."

So we go to other countries, beat people to within inches of their lives and then get bent out of shape when those countries propose to constrain us as equals in accordance with their laws.

Yes. That sounds about right: a fairly typical British attitude.

Best Wishes,
Jim

Jim - are you sure these 5 men are the men responsible for the beating ? and not some local anti English gang ?

I think that it is easy to condemn people - and that is why it is important that our courts actually dont extradite people. You have already made your mind up about this incident based on one article....what chance of justice do these guys have when people make up their mind so easily.

I have no idea whether they are innocent or guilty - but in line with UK principles of "Innocent UNTIL proven ( And I mean Proven ) guilty" I give them that benefit of the doubt.

Your comments show that we are all brainwashed into condemnation without thinking about the real facts........

Thanks BR, you ask:

"are you sure these 5 men are the men responsible for the beating ?"

Like you, I am not sure. I'm happy to leave it to the courts.

Best Wishes,
Jim

Thanks Jim.

That was the point of my orginal post - can we trust the Greek courts ? If we cant trust them 100% then we should not extradite.

Thanks BR,

You have not shown why we should trust them any less than our own.

Our own cannot, of course, be trusted 100%. Google "appalling vista" and "lord Denning" and see what that gets you. Remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford four?

It is, in any case, quite unreasonable to expect any court system to be 100% perfect.

But why travel to a country in the first place if you are not willing to submit to its administration of legal justice. No one forces you to go there. That was my point.

Meanwhile, just today, a Libyan was ordered back to Libya to face almost certain torture at the hands of Gadafi, a regular grade oil producing tyrant friend of ours responsible for the massacre of 1200 prisoners in Abu Salim in 1996. That doesn't seem to bother you at all.

Your whole position is insidiously racist. Everything is Johnny Foreigner's fault. We English are superior in every way. Will you be sending out to rescue the Greeks from the tyranny of their own court system next? Perhaps they need liberating into our superior form of justice.

Best Wishes,
Jim