but so far both sides playing equally well; Rooney's not on form though.

Regarding your other thread predicting that Germany will thrash England, I stand corrected. I should have known better than to disagree with you!

Great block by James but 2-0 down 30 mins in? It's all over.

Super cross by Stevie; great header by Upson; we was robbed second goal; this is becoming a great game.

Should be 2 - 2 and looking forward to the best second half of the tournament.

But at 2 - 1 we are as good as out against the Germans who will shut up shop now surely - and they have the Ref and Lino to help them out should we actually score a goal with either an "offside" or refusing to believe the ball is over the line.

After the "Hand of God" goal by Maradonna I thought that England would be treated fairly in the World Cup - after all Germany would have won on penalties in any case at 2 - 2.......

The worst decision in a World Cup finals I can ever remember.....the ball was about 2 foot over the line. Not even close/

The good thing about all these (very good) German goals is that our second goal wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

And it's still a very good game; England playing better than they have ever played and Germany playing like potential champions.

Well I was totally right.

The disallowed goal ruined the game and stopped us from getting back into it.

At 2 - 2 it would have been game on - and the Germans would have been rattled.

The whole WORLD CUP has been ruined like in the Hand of God thing.

It has frankly ( Ghana apart ) been the worst World Cup ( USA apart ) I can remember.

Not a single great game - and not a single team apart from Ghana playing entertaining football.

Today has been dominated by the refereeing and bad defending by an English defence which has been the worst I have ever seen.

JK2006 wrote:
The good thing about all these (very good) German goals is that our second goal wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

And it's still a very good game; England playing better than they have ever played and Germany playing like potential champions.

Well, I was right ....

We put ALL our hopes on a non-scoring goal scorer !
But the fat little bald one will STILL be a permanent member of this "club".

To win in football you simply have to score goals (simples !)

Even with the disallowed "goal" - England were NEVER in front.

Final thought - Do England football fans EVER stop whining ?
(are they fighting where you are yet ?)

Final words to an expert -
BBC Sport's chief football writer Phil McNulty "England will complain long and hard about the bitter injustice of Frank Lampard's disallowed goal, with justification, but no amount of controversy should disguise how embarrassing they have been in parts of this game.

True, England are chasing the game but the manner in which Germany have been too quick, too mobile and too intelligent is a chastening lesson for Fabio Capello to take away from this World Cup.

If you're English, this hurts an awful lot. They haven't just been beaten by Germany, they have been comprehensively outplayed. We are doing nothing more than going through the motions in Bloemfontein."

JK2006 wrote:
And it's still a very good game; England playing better than they have ever played and Germany playing like potential champions.

This is probably the worst England performance I have ever seen. Their defence was woefull. No communication and players are playing out of position, giving the Germans bags of room. I'm glad that Germany scored 2 more, then we don't have to keep hearing about the dissallowed goal that should have been.

In The Know wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
The good thing about all these (very good) German goals is that our second goal wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

And it's still a very good game; England playing better than they have ever played and Germany playing like potential champions.

Well, I was right ....

We put ALL our hopes on a non-scoring goal scorer !
But the fat little bald one will STILL be a permanent member of this "club".

To win in football you simply have to score goals (simples !)

Even with the disallowed "goal" - England were NEVER in front.

Final thought - Do England football fans EVER stop whining ?
(are they fighting where you are yet ?)

Final words to an expert -
BBC Sport's chief football writer Phil McNulty "England will complain long and hard about the bitter injustice of Frank Lampard's disallowed goal, with justification, but no amount of controversy should disguise how embarrassing they have been in parts of this game.

True, England are chasing the game but the manner in which Germany have been too quick, too mobile and too intelligent is a chastening lesson for Fabio Capello to take away from this World Cup.

If you're English, this hurts an awful lot. They haven't just been beaten by Germany, they have been comprehensively outplayed. We are doing nothing more than going through the motions in Bloemfontein."

Spot on ITK. England got hammered. Bring on the excuses. Even Scotland would have beat them. Now show some humility and stop pretending you can win every tournament.