Hiya.

I only slightly disagree with you about the 25 top punk single of all time, in my opinion the UK Subs and Stiff Little Fingers do not qualify, as they were post punk, great article though, and here is my 25 in reverse order.
25.In The City....The Jam
24.White Man In Hammersmith Palais ...The Clash
23.Man Of The Year....the Models
22.Blank generation..Richard hell
21.Oh Bondage Up yours ....X Ray spex
20.Little Girl..The Banned
19. Smokescreen...The desperate Bicycles
18.12XU...Wire
17.Sound of The Suburbs..The Members
16.Boredom..The Buzzcocks
15.Shot by Both sides...Magazine
14.Paranoid...The Dickies.
13.Psycle Sluts...John cooper Clarke
12.Gary Gilmours eyes..the Adverts
11.I cant Stand My baby..the Rezilloes
10. We Are Devo.....Devo
9.Babylons Burning ..The Ruts
8.Blitzkrieg Bop..The Ramones ( right place for me as you put it too)
7.Less Than Zero ...Elvis Costello
6.I aint been To music School ..Ed banger and The Nosebleeds
5.Rowche Rumble ...The fall
4.The Right To Work ...Chelsea
3.Shot by Both Sides .. Magazine
2.Hong Kong Garden ...Siouxsie and the Banshees
1.God save the Queen ...The Sex Pistols

p.s

Should anyone reply to this on here, the rules are, it is one song per band.

MK

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I saw him play at the winter gardens in bournemouth in 1978, supporting ths Clash, and could not believe how the continued to play underneath the appalling shower of sputem.
He has a wonderful voice and should have done more.

You Missed The all Time Classic..
ambition..by subway Sect.
and "where were You"...The Mekons.

Yes I did, and I own a copy , and I love it, but that record came out at the same time as Stiff Little Fingers records did, and it doesnt feel quite like the same era to me.
I also missed out "Holiday in Cambodia", by the Dead Kennedys for the same reason.
Lets have your list then!

The brilliant "Little girl" by the Banned is a great cover of an old Syndicate of Sound single from 1966, with the same riffs,so was punk around in 1966 ? The Inmates 'Dirty water" would fall in the same category.

I have to confess to only knowing 1,2,9,12,14,29,24 and 25 on your list!
A bit less time being a sad pop anorak and investigating some punk is in order I feel ! I always find it hard to decipher where punk ends and new wave starts e.g. The Sex Pistols "Silly thing" sounds the same kind of music to me as the Skids "Into the valley", though the latter would never be described as punk.

The Stranglers sounded like a pubk group in the early days, especially on the classic 2 sider "Something better change" and "Straighten out" though the obvious keyboard sound might just mean it cannot be punk?

So where do you draw the line when selecting what is punk and what is New Wave/OI etc? Is chart stuff deliberately prejudiced against such as Sham 69.?

Easy answer for me this one.
The Stranglers, who I love still, fall into the pub rock category, as they were going out and gigging pre punk, the Skids, who I also love and met and shared their apples and beer with me , were just after the explosion, and therefore were post punk.
Now....the next wave, would have been, the Echo and the Bunnymen, Teardrop explodes, The Skids etc...anyone got a top 25?

So the Stranglers fall into the same category as Dr Feelgood, Eddie and the Hot Rods etc?

Next wave? are we saying 79-81 ? When these TV shows have the Top Ten best Electronic pop or Top Ten best New Romantics etc I get confused. They put Adam Ant and Ultravox in New Romantic but not Depeche Mode, yet put Spandau ballet in, despite only their first 4 singles sounding remotely new romantic!

If you buy a CD compilation of this type of stuff you'll get China Crisis thrown in, who are surely just a pop duo?

I could suggest a few but have to avoid electronic pop.Aside from the obvious hits of the Teardrop Explodes and Echo etc....

Flying Lizards : TV
B-Movie : Marilyn dreams
Stiffs : Goodbye my love
Lene Lovich : Angels


I guess you have to seperate "synth pop", which would discount B Movie and then you could add the Mobiles. It's too confusing for me

Where do you put Joy Division? Fad Gadget? Do you include foreign artists?

Ok heres a top ten of what I consider "post punk"
10. Rikkies Hand.. Fad gadget
9. Reward ..Teardrop Explodes
8.Remeberance Day..B.Movie
7. Gentlemen take Polaroids ....Japan
6.You`ve Got My Number..The Undertones
5.Bullet Proof Heart..Fingerprintz
4.The Headboys.."Shape of Things to come"
3. Adam and the Ants.."Dog Eat dog"
2.The Barracudas."Summer Fun"
1. London Calling by the Clash.

Punk to me only existed between , `76 and 77, the rest , I feel was just just influenced. New wave was a myth created by record companies, the best bands survived, and a seperate category should be made for bands like Television (of which Richard Hell ,previoulsly mentioned, was in), as in many ways, this was , at the time a trendy version of prog rock.
Now , this opens, again, another can of struggling spagetti, as it reverted the punk listener, back to the likes of Pink Floyd and Genensis, due to the fact that that they loved the 2 minute song format, but deep down wanted more.

Ok...My Faves.
1, The Clash..Complete Control.
2, Magazine..Shot by Both Sides.
3, Blitzkrieg Bop...The Ramones.
4,Sex Pistols..Anarchy In The Uk.
5, Ambition..subway sect.
6,Love & A Molotov Cocktail...The Flys.
7. Gary gilmores Eyes..The adverts.
8,New Rose, The Damned.
9, Piss Factory, Patti smith.
10, dresden Style..swell Maps.
11,Non Alignment Pact..Pere ubu.
12,Wire..i2 xu
13,The saints..this Perfect Day.
14,slits..shoplifting.
15,Only Ones..another Girl.
16,Chelsea.right To Work.
17,day The World Turned Dayglo...x ray spex.
18, Tv Personalities..Part Time Punks.
19, suspect Device...stiff Little fingers
20..Baby Baby...Vibrators...
There Are Of Course Loads more..and my faves change From week To week..But The Top 5 are Pretty much The same For The Last 20 years Or So..

I didnt put "New Rose" in my list deliberately as the Observer had done. I own the original copy, which apparently is pretty rare, if I did put a Damned song in, it would be "Neat neat Neat". I have allways loved the Saints, great voice, and his work with Nick Cave , four years back was superb.
The Dead Kennedys "Holiday In Cambodia", deserves a mention in a list somewhere, does anyone want to do an american punk top twenty?
I also loved the Tyla Gang, but I cant for the life of me work out what list that would be in, indie rock bands? hmm thats a hard one.
Good list though, well done.

Doesn't seem to be getting many mentions from you lot.
Why not?
Don't you agree that PUNK started in New York City at CBGB's?

Ah CBGS....That would make a list in itself.
I am one of the few people that actually DO believe That Malcolm Mclaren invented and sold punk to the world.Lovely fellow, only met him once.
However, he did start it in a missplaced way.
The New York Dolls, were undoubtably punk in sound and format,but the image was three years out of date in this country, where , in my opinion, the true revouloution began.
The audience at the time didnt get The Dolls as they appeared as The Sweet but could not play as well as them.
A band can be forgiven for looking ten years out of date , but never 2, 3 or 4 years out of date.
"Sheena", by the Ramones , bought the new music to teen buyers ears, purely because of its title, but did not appear to be taking seriously by the hard core, probably, due to its WEA circulation.
A tune not on my list , is "Cranked Up Really High", by Slaughter and the Dogs, a decent record, although cheaply recorded and mastered, this does some up, the get up and do it attitude, even though the band were obviously not ready yet.
CBGB`S list should include
The Ramones
Patti Smith
Mink Deville
Television
Talking Heads

Next anyone?
I rest my case:cheer:

I assume you mean punk era. A lot of the songs are not actually punk themselves but were around at the time.

My favourite Punk Rock song by a non punk band was OHMS by Slade (1976)

Thats very interesting to mention Slade on this thread about this era, as they kinda sneaked in, they certainly did not know where they would fit at this time, and I seem to remember they recorded "My baby Left me/ But thats allright Mama", as a medley, and it wasnt a shameful record for a punk, or punkette to own.
But digressing totally away, my mate at school bought Baccarra, "Yes Sir I can Boogie", and we wouldnt talk to him for weeks!

Are there any 'new' punk bands out there worth a listen?

Indeed yes.
Watch these spaces, but this thread was created by the Observer retort, that I sent them on Sunday.
All I would say, if you want true new punk, avoid over produced stuff, there are plenty of band on MySpace with genuine ears and attitude.

JK2006 wrote:
Doesn't seem to be getting many mentions from you lot.
Why not?
Don't you agree that PUNK started in New York City at CBGB's?

Well spotted Doctor King...what an excellent thread...with some great people...and no politics...bliss