I repeat I think Germany have played the best and most entertaining football so I hope they beat Spain and then delightful Holland (one of my favourite places) but if Torres comes back to us and Villa is as good as he has been, the Octopus could be right!

Yes the Germans may be worried by the Octopus..........

Germany for me still but the many legged one has got it spot on most of the time !!

Yes, the Germans have played well.

But, when they played England the score should have been level at half-time.

And, anyone who know the game will tell you that the team that comes from 2-0 down to level things up is more likely to go on and win the game. I'm sure this theory is also backed up by hard statistics.

Of course, now we'll never know, and I wish the Germans, the Dutch, and the Spanish the very best of luck.

Game about to start; though I would love to see the Germans win the contest I'm a big Torres fan and Villa has been one of the players of the tournament so far - with Robben.

Plissken wrote:
Yes, the Germans have played well.

But, when they played England the score should have been level at half-time.

And, anyone who know the game will tell you that the team that comes from 2-0 down to level things up is more likely to go on and win the game. I'm sure this theory is also backed up by hard statistics.

I'm starting to think you have lost the plot ! So what? They would have had to meet a decent team eventually - or did you think their slack displays (without scoring ! LOL) would get them to the final ?

I've said it before ... to win in football you have to score goals - and that is something England could not do (as they put all their hopes on the little fat bald one). Remind me - just how many goals did he actually score ? Was it 0 ?

The 2 biggest scoring teams just happen to be (surprise ! surprise !) - Germany (with 13) and Netherlands (with 12).

You score goals - you win competitions. Simples !

... and wasn't the little fat bald one goalless at the last World Cup too?

My personal hope is this could be the best game of the entire contest so I'm closing down and watching it!

Well it was dreadful; Germany displaying none of the fire and imagination of past games; Spain were far better throughout and it would have been terribly unfair if they had lost. As it was - a terrific header and well deserved win. I shall still root for Holland but Spain should win easily.

Paul the Octopus (he's British, btw !) has selected Spain to win the final.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10566287.stm

It would be nice if they won - they are on a roll anyway - and it will take their minds of the economic catastrophe (cut wages / pay freezes / price rise etc) that are happening there and will be here soon (thank you Lie-Bour !)