Sensational news story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1296216...on-carried-body.html

I told you all it was a LIE and I told you all the TRUTH would come out.

Read the article and realise how EVIL and TWISTED our "POLICE STATE " really is. e. It puts my small difficulties into perspective.

It is now impossible to trust the State Troopers - they are inherently evil and basically work on the basis of "Any means possible" To stitch up their "targets"

Mr MOAT for some reason was a TARGET of the POLICE. Therefore they hunted him for years ( 12 arrests with no charge before this set of circumstances ) took away his business vehicles - forced him to install CCTV for his own protection against not criminals but the POLICE......

Do you see a pattern emerging here.....

Everyone has listened to a SPIN STORY repeated by the media about MR MOAT - his name being rubbished.

The REAL TRUTH will come out - like it did with DAVID KELLY - DE MENEZES - TOMLINSON - IRAQ WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION........

The POLICE and STATE try to cover up their crimes but they have no chance because eventually the truth will come out.

I repeat again that it is time for CAMERON to take on the POLICE

1. CLOSE DOWN ACPO

2. CUT THE POLICE BUDGET BY 30 or 40%

3. ONLY 1 in 10 is on the BEAT - increase that to 6 in 10.

4. Stop POLICE haveing 6 months holiday a year

5. Independent inspection of CO19 every 6 months including civil rights reps.

BR, I think you must be reading a different article. In the one I read The Daily Mail reports that the Moat family wanted another post mortem. The Daily Mail do not accuse the police of anything, just because in your mind you would like it to be different doesn't alter the facts.

You have such a twisted vision of anything to do with the police or New Labour that it's impossible to believe anything you say. Some points you make are valid but you usually bury them in a rant that includes extreme exaggerations.

BR,

with the greatest respect cutting the police budget is most certainly not the answer, especially if you wish to see more officers on the beat. That would ultimately mean more police officers and budget cuts have already contributed to a lack of or non existent force in some areas. Where I live you very rarely see a police officer...unless you are parked on double yellow lines or doing 35 in a 30 mph zone then a patrol car miraculously appears.

Increase the budget, cut out 75% of the paperwork and chuck out the bad eggs (they know who they are).

The police are "countering" the Moat second inquest story with news that the shot policeman has left hospital (and Sky are doing their bit by making this story their news lead)

news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Raoul-...ing_At_Hands_Of_Moat

Toxic Twin wrote:
The Daily Mail do not accuse the police of anything.

Have you actually READ the article ?

The Mail may not accuse the police ... but they report that the family HAS (and Amnesty Internation have suspicions apparently) !

Toxic Twin wrote:
BR, I think you must be reading a different article. In the one I read The Daily Mail reports that the Moat family wanted another post mortem. The Daily Mail do not accuse the police of anything, just because in your mind you would like it to be different doesn't alter the facts.

You have such a twisted vision of anything to do with the police or New Labour that it's impossible to believe anything you say. Some points you make are valid but you usually bury them in a rant that includes extreme exaggerations.

The entire article is exploring the possibility that the police have executed a civilian (again) and then lied to cover it up (again). And with a huge box at the bottom entitled 'UNANSWERED QUESTIONS'. I think you're being rather pedantic to accuse BR of twisting anything here.

I agree that BR does go off on a tangent and hurts his cause sometimes with talk of shape shifting illumanati and fourth dimension worm holes in the Persian Gulf. But given how the police have openly perverted the course of justice several times at least in the last few years to cover up their killing of civilians, it does strike me as suspicious your eagerness to cast doubt upon his mental health and credibility.

And believing that NuLabor were vile isn't exactly extremist.

Thanks for the insight Locked Out. You are right I should ignore BR's posts but some of his claims are so wrong I feel compelled to try and do something. I feel however I've now done my bit and I will try and ignore in future. My theory about BR is that in his/her mind they suffered at the hands of authority (probably police) sometime in the past and they have been on a campaign of revenge ever since, I just hope he doesn't have access to a gun.

I don't understand however why BR doesn't find a non music related website to promote their views. I fear that BR's opinions will drive away music lovers and will start attracting more and more paranoid conspiracy theorists. My main reason for coming here is music but I am finding less and less interesting music related topics so the easiest solution for me to avoid BR is just to stop visiting here.

BTW, You are right I have posted recently as Graham S and have posted under other names in the past. No particular reason for doing this except I prefer not to build a reputation (good or bad).

The Fat Controller wrote:
with the greatest respect cutting the police budget is most certainly not the answer, especially if you wish to see more officers on the beat.

40% cuts are coming, FC - and the police know it ... which is why there is a such a campaign going on against it.

Why should everyone else suffer (from the cuts) yet the police continue to rack-up the overtime ?

This whole farce reminds me of the Pink Panther films.
BR as the well meaning,but scatty Inspector Clouseau.Locked Out is rapidly becoming Herbert Lom's character Dreyfus,driven to insanity by his hatred of Br...while Toxic Twin/Graham S et al lies in hiding waiting to ambush BR Clouseau from under his various disguises,just like Cato Fong his manservant.

Be nice to see us all doing our own thing,not fighting amongst ourselves

Spot on LO; The Tipsheet is meant to be dedicated to music and Your Views all other topics.
And spot on IA - the time has come to move on.

Innocent Accused wrote:
This whole farce reminds me of the Pink Panther films.
BR as the well meaning,but scatty Inspector Clouseau.Locked Out is rapidly becoming Herbert Lom's character Dreyfus,driven to insanity by his hatred of Br...while Toxic Twin/Graham S et al lies in hiding waiting to ambush BR Clouseau from under his various disguises,just like Cato Fong his manservant.

Be nice to see us all doing our own thing,not fighting amongst ourselves

OK then. Let me me if I have this right. In a nutshell what you are saying is this; it's perfectly reasonable and oojah-cum-spiff for you to accuse me of "being driven to insanity" by my "hatred of BR", yet it's not equally acceptable for Graham S to accuse BR of being driven to insanity by his hatred of the police? Such sophistry deserves to be answered.

It is true that I engage rigorously with the NWO debate. But I hope that my "New World Order" thread of last night demonstrates that it's my intention to attack the ridiculous arguments rather than the poster who advances them. I notice that there are no replies to that thread as yet, while this one has garnered further contributions. That's not sour grapes, it's an accurate reflection which could mean one or several things. Maybe people can't be bothered to read a moderately lengthy piece. Maybe people are too lazy to give it the thought it perhaps doesn't deserve anyway... maybe it'll grow into a positive behemoth of interesting and controversial debate. Whatever becomes of it, it should be apparent that my problem is with BR's NWO claims rather than BR himself.

Neither is your charge of being "driven to insanity" borne out by any of my other postings. You'll find - I hope, at least, that you will - that there is little in any of them to suggest that I'm anything other than fair minded. So less of the "insanity" bit please. It's unfounded, unfair, and actually offensive. You can't possibly have not expected me to reply to your charge robustly.

I'd also refute the idea that rigorous debate is in some way equable with "falling out among ourselves". I'm sure you'll agree that there are many boards out there which specialise in abusive postings. I'd suggest that we have, in our argumentative way, a rare characteristic, one of being able to represent a cross section of views in an adult way regardless of either personal circumstances or history. Once upon a time I was a sex offender. In many peoples' eyes I still am one. Yet I can post here as an equal because here it's the intellect which is King. Who you are is who you are and it's what you are now that counts rather than what yo have done in the past. I like that. Should we ever become a board where the norm is happy clappy consensus... where people won't argue their corner because they're afraid to rock the boat... I'll be out of here because the place will have become just another retreat for tired people to have a nice soothing chat. A barren wasteland where strong opinion is neither sought nor valued.
I'd hope that the day when that description fits KoH never arrives. But should JK ever suggest that that is what he would like all he has to do is say so. I'll be the first to desist from posting any further "insane" views.

Afraid you missed the point entirely LO.At least JK got it.
I have no intention of getting into an argument here,or even insulting anyone,it's purely a bit of fun to put people's actions into perspective.

I would like to repeat the issue I have with this thread and that is it's the title.
"Daily Mail accuse POLICE of a COVER UP about MOAT"

They didn't make any accusations they just reported that the family wanted another post mortum and that the family believed there there might have been a cover up. In this eposide the family may well be right and there are some serious questions that the police have to answer.

If The Daily Mail actually did come out and accuse the police of a cover up that would be a completely different story. Every day Newpapers report that inquests and investigations have been requested, it doesn't mean the paper supports that side of the argument.

I genuinely don't beieve I am being pedantic here as the title of the post is fundemently wrong and misleading. I find it particularily galling that someone like BR who is always complaining about how the media is twisting the truth does the same when suiting their purpose.

Innocent Accused wrote:
Afraid you missed the point entirely LO.At least JK got it.
I have no intention of getting into an argument here,or even insulting anyone,it's purely a bit of fun to put people's actions into perspective.

Umm... sorry, I took myself a little too seriously {a failing of mine, I fear... comes of being constitutionally incapable of taking anything else seriously}. Anyway, you have my apologies.