Agreed, total and utter bollacks.

It would be more interesting if it had actually been presented as a work of fiction in the same way as The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.

Graham S wrote:
Agreed, total and utter bollacks.

It would be more interesting if it had actually been presented as a work of fiction in the same way as The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.

What, you mean badly-written, plot-driven nonsense with an over reliance on exposition?
Icke, it has to be said, is a much better writer than Dan Brown can ever hope to be.
Actually I'd disagree, I've always found it to be quite interesting. {but maybe because, against my better judgment, I'd probably like it to be true}. I'd never have remembered all that stuff if Icke had sent me to sleep.

Interesting bollocks {three of them? Now that's interesting...}, then, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, I forgot the bit where they murdered Diana. Which is probably one of the most riveting bits.

This is where you are all completely wrong.

If you actually look at history - you will see that there are "Great Civilisations" since human life was organised on earth around 5,000 years ago.

For nearly all that time humanity has been enslaved to these people. Rigid lines of class holding back.

The method of "control" may have changed but the outcome is the same.

The NWO are not new - they have been around since the beginning. If you had done your research properly instead of cherry picking the bizarre conspiracy version of the NWO which is designed to make people think it is a joke.

I dont believe that version of the NWO either.

The NWO is actually bloodlines going back to the beginning - probably seeded via alien lifeforms ( reptillian brain - all provable by science ) - which if you do your research will show that human beings use hardly ANY of our brain - because we are BRAINWASHED in our formative years to be docile slaves of the system ( and I include myself )

We can only reach our potential as humans if we follow someone like Jesus. That is because that will unlock certain parts of our abilities.

The Catholic Church was set up to RESTORE THE BRAINWASHING on Christians who had been RELEASED from slavery. It is hierarchical and claims the POPE represents God on Earth - what BALDERDASH. He may be a good and holy man - but I suggest the Catholics read the bible a bit more closely - although the bible has also been changed to suit the NWO.

The reality is this : if you can tell me LO where the MONEY went from the CRASH in 2008 then I will be happy to say there is no NWO......where are the TRILLIONS of DOLLARS that are missing ? Why do we have to pay back the money the bankers lost ? Why are we now more enslaved than ever ?

If you cant see what is happening then fine. The IRAQ war was not about WMD. Why did they have to kill KELLY ? Swine Flu did not exist - it was a lab virus with a lower death rate than ordinary flu yet WHY did the WHO and our governments go mental........

Where are the TERRORISTS ? We are yet to see anyone other than a few mentally ill people locked up like the shoe bomber and the exeter pizza bomber.......where are they - BILLIONS of pounds spent by our Government - new EVIL LAWS - yet where are these TERRORISTS. Can any of you NAME ONE ? for all that money we should have a GALLERY OF NAMED MASTERMINDS AND ACTIVISTS ( we used to have that with the IRA ) so where are they ?

You have ALL been fooled by the NWO. They laugh because they are the ones who put about the silly stories about themselves whilst they continue to meet and plan and ruin this World. They are in my view agents of THE DEVIL - and yes I cant prove that - that is more to do with my faith.

But the NWO is real - and dangerous - but those of us who know the TRUTH are fighting on behalf of those of you who laugh at us. We care.

Locked Out and Graham S, I'd be interested to know what you think about Operation Northwoods.

Just in case you've never heard of it, wiki is your friend.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

At face value, the dastardly plans sound just as far fetched as the stuff you mention above, but guess what? JFK rejected them, and within a year was dead.

Coincidence? Perhaps.

of course the world is run by elites.

BR, as usual you've missed the point. It was in the last line and everything prior to that was simply setting things up. Long winded, I'd agree, but there you have it. I'll repeat. If you can give any kind of answer I'll be delighted {but hugely surprised}. Here's the point again.

"What needs to change that a "New World Order" is actually needed?" {as opposed to just letting things remain as they are...with those "in charge" getting all the gelt and behaving as despicably as they always have done. It seems to me that they don't need to change anything}.

Just found this thread which had me in fits. However the last point wasn't answered and I'd be interested to hear what BR has to say. Locked Out seems to have a point. If these people actually ARE in control of everything (as is claimed) then why do they need a "new world order"? It strikes me that there isn't much wrong with the old one as far as they're concerned.

Of course they are not in charge of everything - that is their aim. Until we have a One World currency and everyone is chipped then we all have FAR TOO MUCH freedom for their liking. Word War 2 was an attempt to impose the New World Order but war fails in itself these days because of Global Society.

The aim is now financial - the Bilderberg Group is the steering group behind the financial side of the NWO. You only have to research this group to realise that they are as Jon Ronson would say " The Secret Rulers of the World" yet as we all know they are not yet in charge.

I also suggest you look up THE GEORGIA GUIDSTONES on google if you want to know the agenda of the elites.

Why would they place the stones unless they had an agenda......

They prey on deluded alcoholics like Blair and flawed geniuses like Brown and just absolute nutters ike Bush to carry out their work. They sit in the background like puppet masters.

The fact that YOU cant see them means you are like a child at a puppet show - the rest of us adults who can see what is happening know that they are there behind the curtain pulling the strings.

You all sound like Neville Chamberlain with his "piece of paper" which he claimed meant Hitler would not be naughty ! Sometimes the truth is hard to stomach when it is so obvious.

Thank you for the reply, although I could have done without the patronizing tone (and the use of "you" in capitals was more than a little rude). I remain unconvinced. You claim in the thread that all of humanity has been enslaved by them for nearly 5000 years. But now you're saying that they're not in charge of everything. I don't understand how both those things can be true. You say their aim is now financial. But surely it must always have been so if what you say is true, because your "elites" consist of the wealthiest people on earth throughout history. I've never heard anyone saying that we need one currency. Or microchipping. Surely these are both things which would have to be trailblazed for years first. Their non appearance on any horizon I can see makes it seem unlikely unless you believe that they are going to take another 5000 years about it. Little of what you say makes any sense to me.

Mr. Snedwitch wrote:
I've never heard anyone saying that we need one currency. Or microchipping. Surely these are both things which would have to be trailblazed for years first. Their non appearance on any horizon I can see makes it seem unlikely unless you believe that they are going to take another 5000 years about it. Little of what you say makes any sense to me.

Perhaps if you read a little more, you'd be aware that human RFID chips are already in use, with plans to have them implanted in the entire US population. Obama's health care bill contains the provisions for this, and the FDA has approved a device called Verichip, which holds medical records, social security details, and credit rating information. Verichip is currently being marketed as, amongst other things, a device to protect your kids. A recent CNN poll revealed that 26% of parents would have their kids chipped.

As for one world currency. Again, you should read more. Look at the history of the Euro. Google the North American Union and the Amero. Dig around for plans for the Asian Union, and the African Union.

You know, pre 1945, nobody was suggesting we needed a European super-state, with one currency. Didn't take long, did it...?

Personally, I'd welcome the abolition of borders, and the formation of one world government, with one army.

If there's only one army, who you gonna fight...?

Hi, Plissken. I 'd rather stick to the central thrust of the OP's main point if you don't mind, but I'll answer your points in a simple way too. Point 1 is that America is not the whole world and 26 percent of its population agreeing with a policy is no sign of either enthusiasm or even broad agreement. And Point 2 is that an idea being floated is no indicator that it will ever be actually attempted. As for your view that no one had thought about a European superstate before 1945 I seem to recall Adolf Hitler and "Festung Europa". If that wasn't a European superstate in the planning I'm a Dutchman's uncle. This is digressing from the central point, however. All I really want is for BR to answer my last posting. This shouldn't be too much to ask, even as just common politeness. Perhaps it might help if I rephrased it to make it simpler.
BR's "elite" has, according to his argument, enslaved the whole human race for nearly 5000 years. Why wait until now to begin an attempt to control the world's financial institutions? Surely they would have been one of the very first targets for anyone attempting to completely dominate the world?
If he can't answer me perhaps he should ask himself the question for without an answer his claims cannot have even the beginnings of credibility at least for me. And if he won't answer we should be asking him why. What do other people think? I'm sorry to push this but I'm genuinely interested.

The NWO does control the World's money. The Fed Bank and the BoE - and the City of London are owned by a small number o f families. There is much about this on the net if you want to google it.

Finance is the means to the end - not an end in itself.

Jesus made the point - that it was the LOVE of money not money itself that was the problem - he could see the endgame - as you would expect

I am not a NWO researcher I might add - if you read the "Biggest Secret" or the just released Icke book "Human Race get off your knees" you will find extensive proof of the sort that you want.

Reading Orwell or Huxley will also be a good grounding in the type of world that could develop if the NWO ever achieved their ultimate aims.

The NWO is not all powerful because individually and collectively there are many millions who oppose them - despite the majorit actually being brainwashed into believing that they dont exist.........this opposition is ongoing and flags up their excesses and makes it more difficult for them to achieve their agenda.

Since 2001 and 9.11 ( Which I believe was an NWO backed attempt to create WW3 ) the NWO has tried to push their agenda on the back of an Anti Terror campaign. Even now TONY BLAIR tonight has been peddling this idea of a War on Terror being current - despite no evidence that anyone is threatening us at all. In fact we were under more threat when the IRA was trying to achieve its political aims than from Islam etc. and I say this as a Christian - I dont fear Islam at all it is a NWO red herring to divide and rule.

The NWO are far more believable than Al Quaida - which was a "CIA database" and not an organisation in the first place and only took centre stage minutes after 9.11 when it became public enemy number one.....

We are being manipulated - and I do accept the view that this manipulation could be unorganised and random.....but if you speak to people in other developed countries the same agendas are being pushed by every style of government and from every political angle......this in itself is highly suspicious and though it could represent Globalisation rather than an organised movement by a group called the NWO - it seems to be to too well run to have been left to chance. Once you see how it works then it is easy to see when the NWO actually interfere and try and set their agenda. They dont always succeed because as I have mentioned there are millions of us who are ready to oppose that agenda....but they are trying to "take out" those of us who oppose them - and they have identified me several years ago as a threat to them. I am not a major threat because I am not an activist but just by writing on this thread which many hundreds will read and perhaps share it is part of millions of articles and blogs and comments which undermine their programme.

Dont underestimate what each person can do to stop the NWO. All of us are important in this battle and it is a battle. It cant be won by war or weapons. It is for control of the mind. That is where the battle is now being fought. Finance is used as a lever - as is the use of the media to encourage Fear in the population which can reduce many humans to gibbering wrecks who are unable to function - let alone oppose.......

We can have an intellectual argument about the NWO but it achieves nothing because it deflects from the real issues - such as the restrictions on freedoms that have happened in the UK since 2001. The fact that people need permission now to go to a school carol concert - to photograph anything in the UK - to even hold an event or meeting etc etc. and that many people are being locked up for no other reason than for breaking procedures that have been brought in - rather than committing criminal acts ( you should know the sorts of things I mean )

David Icke believes the NWO will be defeated by 2016.......I hope he is right. Project Camelot believe they were defeated by 2005 when their 9.11 plan failed to ignite the World War they were expecting and a nuclear conflict - the Anti War movement suprised them when millions worldwide took to the streets in an unprecedented display of disapproval for a big war.

Will they continue to try and inflict their agenda ? Yes. Hitler was someone who wanted to enforce this agenda - the Roman Empire - the British Empire.....all attempts to create a Global New World Order - and all failed. This has been going on for thousands of years - just read the history books and you will see it being played out. That is why I am sure of this and sure that each generation has to stand up and stop such tyranny in order to retain as much freedom for the following generations.

Mr. Snedwitch wrote:
Hi, Plissken. I 'd rather stick my head in the sand to the central thrust, of the OP's main point if you don't mind, but I'll answer your points in a simple way too. Point 1 is that America is not the whole world and 26 percent of its population agreeing with a policy is no sign of either enthusiasm or even broad agreement. And Point 2 is that an idea being floated is no indicator that it will ever be actually attempted. As for your view that no one had thought about a European superstate before 1945 I seem to recall Adolf Hitler and "Festung Europa". If that wasn't a European superstate in the planning I'm a Dutchman's uncle.

I didn’t say the implementation of RFID chips in the global population is imminent. I was simply responding to your comment that that the technology would have to be trailblazed for years. I believe the words you actually used were ‘the nonappearance on any horizon.’

I was merely highlighting your ignorance of the fact that they are already in use, and very much on the horizon.

And, as for Hitler, do you have any idea who was really financing him?

Rothschilds ( The Jews) financed Hitler and his industrial expansion - Zionist jewish banking families who now run the Fed and Bank of England........

Funny that......

No real replies to my real question I see. My head isn't in the sand. If it was I wouldn't be asking for information. But I see that there isn't any real chance of me getting a proper answer to the question of why this "elite" has had the whole population of the word "enslaved" for nearly 5000 years without previously securing control of the world's financial institutions for its exclusive use.
I can only draw the conclusion that you don't actually know the answer to what should be a fundamental and pretty obvious question.
BR, by your own admission you are not a NWO researcher. So I wonder why you feel qualified to make the definitive statements you do.
And Plissken. I didn't ask about who was financing Hitler. I just said he attempted to create a European superstate before 1945, which you said no one had even thought of then.
I don't think I have anything to learn from you guys. You criticize others for having their heads in the sand if they don't agree with you. Why is that any different from other people saying you are nutters for believing in conspiracy theories? There's no difference in my book. It's just mud slinging which ever way you look at it. So I might as well sling some of my own. I asked a simple question really. For my pains I've been patronized, shouted at and been accused of having my head stuck in the sand. You really know how to make people welcome here, don't you?

Thanks Mr. Snedwitch, you write:

"You really know how to make people welcome here, don't you?"

Excellent post! That's exactly how I feel. Pretty soon they'll be accusing you of being a member of the NWO, an alien, a member of the press or a police infiltrator. I've had the last two already. It's all standard stuff round here, from those two at least.

Best Wishes,
Jim

Thanks Jim. I suppose throwing insults around is par for the course. It would certainly seem to be easier than answering the question. I just think it's funny that conspiracy theorists always criticize other people for doing it yet it seems that it's the weapon of first choice for them too.

Conspiracy Theorists.....

Well you two - you seem to have spent the last two weeks

1. Spouting some "police speak" statements in answer to the postings on here commenting on recent Police scandals ( which I might add none of us on here are connected to in any way - so to suggest that we are making up what is being reported in the media is really silly. )

2. Accusing me of not being qualified to comment on Political or Historical matters - which is a strange statement when you claim to be new to this forum and you have never asked me what my qualifications in that area are - so to help you understand the level of qualification of some of the posters I have degrees in Modern History from UCL - Politics from LSE and Cambridge University and in my career I have at some time worked in the Civil Service in Government policy.

I suggest that you lay out your qualifications which allow you to say that I am not qualified to discuss historical issues and political issues.

I do agree that I am not a conspiracy researcher. I dont see the NWO as a conspiracy theory. The Bilderberg Group - all the Political Treaties of the last 100 years are all historical fact - all the way up to the Lisbon Treaty of 2009 and the G20 agreements. It is clear from the Financial Crash of 2008 and continuing depression that something is not right in Global International Finance would you not agree ? and the War on Terror has been proved to have been fought on the basis of a dossier that contained untruths written by a spin doctor and sold by the accomplished actor Blair for his handlers ( Bush ) in the White House. I dont think anyone would disagree with this version of events - because we know it to be true.

If you want to read books about International and Government finance and go on some courses ( all of which I have done ) then please do - and then let's discuss fractional banking - the way in which Governments finance themselves - who controls the supply of money - who owns the World's banks - which countries owe money to the international bank or other banks. Then once you have a good understandng of all of that - let's discuss why the ordinary people who have done nothing wrong are being asked to pay high taxes and face cuts.......to give that money to pay for bailing out the bankers........is this something I have made up or is it really happening ?

You are welcome on here - I have never insulted you or said you were wrong. I have just put my points accross like above - and yet you want to insult me and say I am not qualified to have the right to comment. Sounds awfully like censorship and fascism to me - so I am looking forward to your evidence for that comment about me.

Hi, BR.
I haven't spent the last 2 weeks on here doing anything. If you can find a post of mine more than 4 days old I'll be more than happy to eat my words. It looks like Jim was right, as seeing as you have just accused me of police speak. I'm not a policeman, don't know any policemen and have no future ambitions which in any way involve the police. So you are wrong about that too.
And I haven't at any point said you're not qualified to discuss anything. I said you are not qualified to make definitive statements of fact. Can you spot the difference? Here are some facts for you.
You are not, by your own admission, a new world order researcher. Therefore all you are doing is repeating parrot fashion someone else's conclusions. You can say you believe these things to be true but you never do that. You claim as fact something which you haven't researched yourself yet accept as gospel truth. Fooling all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time and all that. You can bluster as much as you like about your various qualifications but I notice you still haven't answered the question.
Why does there need to be a "new" world order. What was wrong with the old one? With the entire population enslaved (you said that) for nearly 5000 years (you said that as well) it seemed to be working well for the elite you state as fact exists. That's all I'd like you to explain, without you shouting, patronizing or making accusations which you have no way of substantiating. Why is it so much to ask?