Please check out my song Plead Guilty.
It might well mean he's been browbeaten (since the age of ten) by police, lawyers, judges, social workers... and has been told it's easier for all and better for him to plead guilty.
And accept the consequences.
Of course, he might also be guilty.
But I've watched the system work. Or, rather, not work. It is broken.

What I would like to know is why the Fergus woman was at the Old Bailey. This particular case has NOTHING to do with her. She should have no input in it whatsoever.

Because it's A GOOD STORY Giles; that's all that matters in society these days.

JK2006 wrote:
... and has been told it's easier for all and better for him to plead guilty.

Sadly, I feel (in his best interests) its probably better to get it over with (and let the media hysteria die down).

He's probably just playing the game to his own advantage.

giles2008 wrote:
What I would like to know is why the Fergus woman was at the Old Bailey. This particular case has NOTHING to do with her. She should have no input in it whatsoever.

Who is she? Is she something to do with the child that was murdered?
If so, she is probably "doing a Sarah Payne" (ie setting herself up as some kind of moral expert to soften her conscience as she was not doing what she was supposed to be doing - ie looking after her child - when it was killed).

The mother of James Bulger should not have been there, but she's of course manipulated by the media, and so believes her presence is warranted. What sickens me to the very core is that neither Venables nor Thompson will be allowed to overcome this, simply because as JK says they were involved in a great story. They were 10 years old for crying out loud! I really do feel physically sick inside about this. It wouldn't surprise me if both Venables and Thompson topped themselves eventually.

The pressure these two must have been under is immense. How can we inflict such torture on two others - what they did was wrong - but as they always say TWO WRONGS do not make a RIGHT.

They need care and support - and all they get is hate and bile from a media who act like the Witchfinder Generals of the Middle Ages.

The modern UK media is inherently evil - not the individuals in it but the way in which they are trying to play God rather than just reporting news and trying to be positive.

We saw yesterday a Policeman who killed another man who was totally innocent in a shopping centre - get off with not a single charge. No different to what happened with Bulger - both Tomlinson and Bulger died - both were innocent - both had families that loved them. Yet our media has decided that one case merits this type of coverage and the Policeman is allowed to get away with it because he wears a uniform which somehow means that murder is allowable....

How can the kids in today;s society understand what is right and what is wrong - when the media and justice system say murder is fine for one person but not another ? Talk about mixed messages - this as far as I believe is all part of the NWO plan to turn us all a bit crazy - and confused.

giles2008 wrote:
What I would like to know is why the Fergus woman was at the Old Bailey. This particular case has NOTHING to do with her. She should have no input in it whatsoever.

No idea if the man is guilty or not but the fact of the woman being there is highly disturbing.

While she is entitled to grieve as long as she wants this is clearly a case of a woman being utterly manipulated by the media and not allowed to ever forget or overcome her ordeal.

It's reminds of the poor mother whose boy was murdered by the Moors Murderers and whose body was never found. She maintained the most extraordinary dignity and never made the ridiculous claims to the media that so often happens now.

All she ever requested quietly was for the 2 to try and tell her where her son was buried.

While I have no idea what Bulger's mother is like, it's automatically assumed that when someone is murdered their relatives take on saint like properties when they could be almost as vile as the murderer.

I've know too many people who have endured tragedy and survive by maintaining a dignified silence. I suspect anyone who yaps to the media all the time.

veritas wrote:
giles2008 wrote:
What I would like to know is why the Fergus woman was at the Old Bailey. This particular case has NOTHING to do with her. She should have no input in it whatsoever.

No idea if the man is guilty or not but the fact of the woman being there is highly disturbing.

While she is entitled to grieve as long as she wants this is clearly a case of a woman being utterly manipulated by the media and not allowed to ever forget or overcome her ordeal.

It's reminds of the poor mother whose boy was murdered by the Moors Murderers and whose body was never found. She maintained the most extraordinary dignity and never made the ridiculous claims to the media that so often happens now.

All she ever requested quietly was for the 2 to try and tell her where her son was buried.

While I have no idea what Bulger's mother is like, it's automatically assumed that when someone is murdered their relatives take on saint like properties when they could be almost as vile as the murderer.

I've know too many people who have endured tragedy and survive by maintaining a dignified silence. I suspect anyone who yaps to the media all the time.

This again points to what was discussed here recently regarding Raoul Moat. Any sympathy or understanding for the pereptrator is condoning their actions, or condoning murder or the abuse of children. Yet we have those who would quite readily condone the murder of two 10 year old boys, and beyond that, glory in it.

If myself, Jonathan King, BR, veritas or anyone else whom frequents this board witnessed a child being abused we would stop it by whatever means neccessary, but that doesn't mean we are relieved of compassion and would relish overseeing the torture and death of any human being...young or old.

I myself rise above the headlines and the placement of fear by the media, because like others here I have more than one brain cell.

Despite the loss of their children in such terrible circustances, Denise Fergus and Sara Payne are stupid becuase they have seemingly no concept of how they and their family are being used and abused all over again by others making a mint from their misery.

And bloody Jack Straw adds to our bemusement of his stupidity by saying if Venables pleaded guilty, he was guilty. If that is the insight Straw brought to his previous jobs, no wonder we're all in such deep shit.

BR wrote:
... all they get is hate and bile from a media who act like the Witchfinder Generals of the Middle Ages....


I do wish you'd get your facts right. The "Witchfinder General" {I think there was only one, Matthew Hopkins, and the title was of his own invention} was a 17th Century phenomemon.

You should have used the term "Witchsmeller Persuivant".

I know this is a weighty subject, but it's Friday afternoon. And I think it's about time that I reminded everyone {myself included} that I have a sense of humour.

You are correct LO. Thank you.

But you know what I meant

Veritas - you are totally right. Not a single person on here would condone the abuse or murder of anyone - child - pensioner - adult - of any race or sex or political belief. We would all step in and try and stop such things.

In addition I would hope that despite anyone committing whatever crime we can forgive and help those who perpetrate crimes against others. Only by doing this does our society mean anything.

The media is currently fanning the flames of hate between :

1. Religious groups
2. Political Groups
3. Against Minorities like Homosexuals
4. Against successful people
5. Against soft targets like Moat ( The "Chav" and "Working Classes" )

They do this because they are in fact classist - and feel their superior education and job gives them the right to judget others. The Police on the other hand just believe like the Nazis in "Brute force" in other words - we will have MORE weapons and body armour than anyone else and act like those in Hollywood films - Robocops.

The ordinary people in this country are totally against all violence and against the militarisation of our Police force and the witchhunt society ( because it is happening to people they know )

Venables needs some help - he needs role models - he needs to learn to enjoy life in a normal manner again. Surely he deserves this ? or are we going to continue to HATE forever.

The fact is JACK STRAW is evil - he is the sort of person who needs to repent and get back on the right side. His words are hate filled for everyone. He thinks he is a "big" person - but his Son has surely taught him that LOVE is the answer not hate..........

The Fat Controller wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if both Venables and Thompson topped themselves eventually.

BR wrote:
The pressure these two must have been under is immense.

C4 News just reported that Venebles has been on drugs and alcohol for some time ... and finds it increasingly difficult to cope with remaining anonymous.

In The Know wrote:
The Fat Controller wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if both Venables and Thompson topped themselves eventually.

BR wrote:
The pressure these two must have been under is immense.

C4 News just reported that Venebles has been on drugs and alcohol for some time ... and finds it increasingly difficult to cope with remaining anonymous.

I would find it bizarre if he wasn't on drugs.

I'm always amused by the media rants on drug use...if one section abuses illicit drugs it's the media.

There is a cafe in Kings Cross I drive past every day that was busted as a low level outlet for little pot deals years ago.

A journo I know did an expose on it...but not for 3 months during his 'investigation'. He said it had the best grass in town !

another I know got arrested for waving a gun in a bar when he was pissed as a rat and amazingly , didn't get fired but the newspaper paid for his medical treatment. Claimed he was under stress with a marriage break-up (true)..but woe betide the poor bloke if he was a stockbroker or street cleaner.

And you know what? Sadly I reckon Venables wants to stay in prison; he's never been taught how to cope on his own; prison life is normal for him; far easier to cope when someone else tells you what to do.

JK2006 wrote:
And you know what? Sadly I reckon Venables wants to stay in prison; he's never been taught how to cope on his own; prison life is normal for him; far easier to cope when someone else tells you what to do.

Sadly, that is probably spon on.

It must be hard having to lice with another identity (must be like denying that you actually exist).

Terrible crime ... but also what has happened since has been just as traumatic.

I think the mother is sick. Mentally.

Why is she demanding to know Veneble's identity?. She is whipping up a lynch mob scenario and appears hell bent on revenge her style..with her in control.

She is everything the law should not be..she is not a dispassionate observer.

Why is she indulged by Straw and Clarke ?. They should refuse to see her or meet with the family of every victim of crime. How about the husband..was he punished correctly for assault ?..not in my book. I can't stand physical thugs..I'd look them up forever.

Her dealings should only be with her local MP.

This case is an example of how the media now controls what MPs do and say. I've said it before on here...when politicians get into bed with a perverted media they will suffer. Serves them right for not standing up to a bunch of cowardly and bullying media tycoons.

a good article by someone close to the casea.