This sickens me : www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12503077

The headline of this was on the front page of the BBC news site. Quiet news day? Or do they have a quota of weekly paedophile stories that they are obliged to use, even when the story consists of (it appears) a 19 year old 'adult' touching other teenagers?

I don't know the full facts of this story, and presumably, neither do the BBC. From the charges and the description, it appears that it doesn't involve sexual intercourse, and it involved secondary school pupils (i.e. teenagers).

Does this young lad really deserve his name and address to be prominantly published by the BBC as a paedophile before he's even had his trial?

Blackit wrote:
when the story consists of (it appears) a 19 year old 'adult' touching other teenagers?

According to Devon & Cornwall police this is virtually an epidemic !
Over 50 detectives now assigned to the case !!!!

Talk about inventing a case where none exists.

Have they found any bodies at the Haute de la Garenne childrens home in Jersey yet ? (The answer, btw, is no !)

ITK is right (oh it hurts to say that)..as soon as I heard this tale I smelled a rat and could see a giant beat-up on the way.

Notice how the 'sex register' hysteria has come down to 'pedo hysteria' without hardly a mention of all other sex based crimes.

what a weird world this is..what with Maxie Waxie pronouncing all 30 million Italian men will be dissapointed they aren't in Silvio's Gucci pumps over a child sex abuse case.

I know it's early days in this story, but I'm going to call bullshit on this one.

In a previous BBC report (which I can't find any trace of now, sorry) I read that police referred to incidents over a two to three year period. And now he's been charged with inciting underagers to engage in sexual activity. So... we are talking about someone who's 19 now right? The police are looking into a 16, 17, 18, 19 year old guy chatting up girls slightly younger than him, either in person or on the internet. Is it really in the public interest to intrude into teenagers' fairly typical social lives in this way?

Blackit, I agree that splashing the lad all over the place before his trial is not good at all. Surely this prejudices his proceedings? Then again, he's only a pedo and doesn't deserve a fair trial coz that's just (article 6 and 8) human rights rubbish innit?

Veritas, you may be onto something about the link between this story and the sex offenders register appeals story. ITK will no doubt confirm that there will be a great increase in cases over the coming weeks to counterbalance the ruling over the register. Also note the hints that there may be a large evil pedo gang of Jack the Rippers (or should that be Jacks the Ripper?) at work. Could it just be, in fact, a social circle or indeed a social network all hanging out together and going to parties and chatting online and stuff. You know, just like what that facebook thing is? Maybe this is being promoted as a foil to the Pakistani grooming gangs stories, which have quietly dropped out of the national news (although cases regularly crop up in local news).

I suspect the motives of the "victims" arise out of ordinary common or garden teenage tiffs or jealousy - the natural and rapid flux of crushes and allegiances we all remember from that stage of life. Then there's also the carrot of £1000s in compensation dangled in front of the complainants, which must be quite enticing for a teenager. I also remember, decades ago, older boyfriends meeting friends of mine at the school gates at kicking out time. Big deal, just leave em alone.

Worse - my sources tell me that Cameron knows well this Supreme Court ruling is not final and that he deliberately raised the topic so as to attract tabloid praise at this moment.

Playing with fire Davey boy.

The following link seems to be the Mirror.co.uk, but I'm sure it must be the Onion or some kind of parody. Surely?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/0...bay-115875-22930878/


Home News Top Stories Up to 50 children may be victims of internet sex ring in seaside area Torbay
by Krissy Storrar, Daily Mirror 18/02/2011

ABOUT 50 children may be victims of a sickening sex exploitation ring operating in one of Britain’s holiday resorts.

Police yesterday revealed the youngsters - mostly girls aged 12 to 15 - are feared to have been raped or sexually abused and suspect they were lured by the gang on Facebook or other internet sites.

Detectives are interviewing 20 alleged victims, including some boys, but admit the scale of the horrific abuse could be much worse.

A 19-year-old youth was yesterday arrested as 50 police officers began a major investigation into the alleged sex attacks over three years. More arrests are expected soon.

The culprits are thought to be a gang of males in their late teens preying on youngsters in the Torbay area of South Devon, dubbed the English Riviera.

More than 16,000 worried parents with children at 14 secondary schools in the area, including the resorts of Torquay and Paignton, have been sent a letter informing them of the police investigation.

A police source confirmed to the Mirror: “The inquiry is still at an early stage but the number of victims could be 50 at the top end.”

The victims, at least two of whom were children in care, are said to have been abused after getting to know members of the gang - possibly after being groomed on popular social networking sites such as Facebook or Bebo.

Detective Inspector Simon Snell, who is leading the investigation - codenamed Operation Mansfield - said: “We’re treating this very seriously. Each offence took place in Torbay but not in schools. The alleged abuse may have been going on for two or three years.

“We have spoken to 20 children but we just don’t know how many more there are. Some of these children may have been known to each other.

“There appears to be all manner of grooming that has taken place.

“We’re not sure how the victims were being groomed but we’re looking at Facebook, Bebo and the internet.

“But the use of social networking and online grooming is one of many enquiries being undertaken by the team.” There was no evidence of any children being snatched or that any images of children were involved.



I would assume the following :

1/ these are just older teens meeting younger teens through social networking. As was noted in another post, they must have been only 16 or 17 themselves if it has 'been going on for 3 years'.
2/ 'raped' probably means that a couple of 12 year old girls had consensual sex with a 15 or 16 year old (defined as rape under zanulabor).
3/ this all seems so blatantly contrived, in the same week as the sex offender ruling, that you'd surely have to be retarded not to see through it. I'm sure the government will announce a 'new' law next week promising to 'crack down on paedophile online grooming'.

Sometimes I make the mistake of thinking that society has finally turned the corner when it comes to paedohysteria. I had that feeling after the vetting scheme was dropped (without much fuss) and for a brief couple of hours when the sex offender appeal ruling was passed.

But it's obvious that there are simply too many vested interests at stake for it ever to go away quietly.

The 19 year old is indeed very close (more so mentally) to the alleged victims who it's alleged he urged to touch each other yet the media and police have gone full pelt on "pedophile rings).

Contrasted with Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch's great pal Silvio who it is alleged had sex with an "underage" girl...no use of the pedophile word here...at his bunga bunga parties. And contrast the age difference.

Why isn't Waxie Maxie out in the media saying every British man would love to be in the 19 year old's shoes ?..just as he has claimed that every Italian man would love to have sex with an underaged girl ?

the media will disappear up it's bum one day.

SJB wrote:
ITK will no doubt confirm that there will be a great increase in cases over the coming weeks to counterbalance the ruling over the register.

Not just that .... but as all Councils are currently unveiling the "cuts" (which, to the police, average about 3/4% a year) we will be swamped with "crime will be rampant on our streets" stories (just so they can "save" themselves and earn more overtime).

Indeed, if there is no crime, then they actually have a motive to "make it up" to maintain their own staff levels.

(Over the years we have heard much about the reduction in crime ... then surely less police are needed?)

Highlight added by ITK just to show how dramatic they are being !

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Police cuts 'will set force back 30 years' By hannah hope

ANGER has been expressed over deep cuts to frontline police services which will "set policing back almost 30 years".

Cash-strapped Devon and Cornwall Police are set to lose up to 700 police officer posts and up to 500 civilian staff from the force over the next four years.

Unions and police representatives described the cuts as "devastating".

The budget savings, of almost £50 million, were agreed at yesterday's Devon and Cornwall Police Authority meeting.

The force, which currently boasts 3,500 officers, has also implemented controversial measures which will allow it to force police officers to retire after 30 years' pensionable service. There is also a recruitment freeze.

The Devon and Cornwall Police Federation, representing rank and file officers, has strongly objected and its chairman, Sergeant Nigel Rabbitts said: "It's disappointing that police officer numbers will be reduced back to the level they were in 1983, nearly 30 years.

"Our members would say that policing has changed a lot since then, with different expectations from the public.

"The thin blue line will be even thinner. Both the chairman and the chief constable need to look carefully at how they deploy services. There needs to be more innovation.

"There are still a lot of back room bureaucrats."

Karen Williams, of public service union Unison, said: "Through early retirement and people taking voluntary redundancy there is going to be a huge loss of experience. It will mean it will be very hard to build up that experience again.

"We think with less police officers on the streets crime levels will increase. This will cause a false economy as all public services will be affected. It's devastating."

Kevin Norman, regional officer at trade union GMB, which represents many of the staff affected, has described the plans as "crazy". He said: "There is no way a force of that size will be able to get rid of 25 per cent of its police officers. Otherwise it will have been working with 700 excess officers all this time.

"There will be a real lack of police officers to respond to emergencies and a lot of the public will be left feeling vulnerable.

"The constabulary covers 4,000 square miles and police are thin on the ground anyway. The response to crime will be slow.

"I think crime levels can only increase, especially in cities.

"Making civilian police staff redundant will lead to getting rid of vital phone operators and crime scene investigators, this will only lead to pushing police officers back into the office."

He added: "I urge people to write to their MPs - telling the government is the only way we can bring about change."

Former chairman of the authority, councillor Jill Owen, Labour member for Priory and St Leonard's, said: "The reality is we are losing a lot of experienced officers and a lot of civilian staff and that will impact on our service.

"It is a really difficult situation and a very unhappy day for policing."Chief Constable of Devon & Cornwall Police, Stephen Otter argued that the cuts were necessary and the force would be able to cope.

"We are not going to salami slice the organisation," he said. "We are designing a structure that can cope with the cuts.

"The strategy to make police retire after 30 years of service gives us power.

"Most people would leave at this stage anyway.

"We are trying to protect community roles on a local level. PCSOs will still be patrolling on foot. But the budget cuts will have an impact and we will have to radically rethink the way we provide local services.

"We are hoping to make savings elsewhere too.

"The cuts are going to really hurt us and we will have to rethink what we do and how we do it."

After the meeting, Mike Bull, chairman of the Devon and Cornwall Police Authority, which governs the force, said: "We have an enormous challenge in front of us and it requires radical action and major change.

"If we are to make savings on this scale, and in such a short space of time, and we have no real choice, we need to explore every opportunity available to us.

"The majority of these savings must come from 'people costs' as more than 80 per cent of our spend is on salaries."

The Echo has already reported that around 60 police staff will be made redundant when the force closes dozens of front desks across the county.

Devon and Cornwall Police say the move is necessary as part of cost-cutting measures as a result of the Government's spending cuts.

And police chiefs claim many of the station inquiry desks are financially inefficient - with as few as 10 callers a day.

The force announced it will close 34 front desks across the force area but insists that no police stations will be closed.

Among inquiry desks being shut are those in Crediton, Cullompton, Ottery St Mary, Sidmouth, Teignmouth, Seaton and Chudleigh.

The remaining 23 desks staying open include Heavitree Road, Honiton, Tiverton, Exmouth, Newton Abbot and Okehampton.

all of the above from - www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/Police-cuts-...-detail/article.html

funny how the media and authorities pick up a word and then sensationalise it out of all proportion.

If people weren't meeting on websites they'd be meeting in pubs, parks , discos , malls etc

why 'pub grooming, park grooming etc ?

veritas wrote:
The 19 year old is indeed very close (more so mentally) to the alleged victims who it's alleged he urged to touch each other yet the media and police have gone full pelt on "pedophile rings).

Contrasted with Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch's great pal Silvio who it is alleged had sex with an "underage" girl...no use of the pedophile word here...at his bunga bunga parties. And contrast the age difference.

Why isn't Waxie Maxie out in the media saying every British man would love to be in the 19 year old's shoes ?..just as he has claimed that every Italian man would love to have sex with an underaged girl ?

the media will disappear up it's bum one day.

The girl in the Silvio case was 17, which under british law wouldn't be regarded as under-age thats the big difference here. The girls in the 19 year olds case were children, the girl in silvio's case was a young woman.

veritas wrote:
funny how the media and authorities pick up a word and then sensationalise it out of all proportion.

Yes, as the above post shows they use sensational headlines and catchphrases to "spin" across their own point of view.

The police are not supposed to dabble in politics (but do !) and as the above shows, they now use sensational press releases to "frighten" the public into writing to their MPs to invoke the police's own viewpoint.

Actually Robbie, paying a 17yr old for sex is also illegal in English law.

The lad arrested in this story may well have been a "child" himself when the alleged events occured. I'll be interested to see if it can be shown exactly when he uttered his illegal speech/illegal messages, or whether the word of the accusers will be enough. In any case, inter-teenage relationships aren't really a casue for concern are they???

Imprisoning people because someone said they said something is pretty worrying, especially when compared to other "speech crimes" from extreme imams posting on youtube, or far-right or far-left groups publishing leaflets.

robbiex wrote:
veritas wrote:
The 19 year old is indeed very close (more so mentally) to the alleged victims who it's alleged he urged to touch each other yet the media and police have gone full pelt on "pedophile rings).

Contrasted with Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch's great pal Silvio who it is alleged had sex with an "underage" girl...no use of the pedophile word here...at his bunga bunga parties. And contrast the age difference.

Why isn't Waxie Maxie out in the media saying every British man would love to be in the 19 year old's shoes ?..just as he has claimed that every Italian man would love to have sex with an underaged girl ?

the media will disappear up it's bum one day.

The girl in the Silvio case was 17, which under british law wouldn't be regarded as under-age thats the big difference here. The girls in the 19 year olds case were children, the girl in silvio's case was a young woman.

correct but when has that stopped the media palying word games ?

In Italy the legal age is 14 (in Silvio's case it's the prostitution that has him in trouble even if there was no sex).

When a 19 year old (teenager) commits a crime he is a 'man'..if he is a hero he is a 'teen'.

I think Robbie and Veritas are both right.

Not many people in Italy would consider Berlusconi a paedophile and most men are probably envious of his escapades with beautiful 17 year old girls - Italian men haven't yet been castrated and I don't suspect they will for a little while longer.

But the point here is the double standards. Rupert Murdoch and Tony Bliar have created a society which is constantly inventing new sex offences that go well beyond the official age of consent. Teachers who have sex with 17 year old pupils are criminilized and denounced as paedophiles and sex predators by the red tops. You can go to jail for 'possessing child porn' if you have looked at a picture of a 30 year old woman in pigtails and school uniform. No male celebrity can publically declare how much they would like to bang Miley Cyrus (when she was still 17) because they would get paedophile accusations levelled at them, but of course female celebs can publically drool all over 16 year old Justin Bieber (and several have).

The United Nations defines a child as anybody under 18. Paying for sex with an adult or a 'child' is illegal in Italy, buy when it involves a 'child' under 18 it carries a stiffer sentance.

So by the morality and legal system that Bliar and Murdoch have created, (and Burlsuconi himself, or at least his party) Burlusconi IS a paedophile who pays to have sex with kids.

Of course it's all bollocks. 15 years are not children and 17 year olds certainly aren't. Paedophiles are people with an explicit preference for pre-pubescent children. The point is the double standards.