England riots: coalition row grows over 'kneejerk' response

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LabourLoonies

13 August 2011 9:01PM

why are many people here so thick. There is social responsibility and until people "GET THE MESSAGE" nothing will change. Britain's liberal elite interference has brought this problem home.

1) Can't smack your kid for wrongdoing otherwise you will be locked up
2) Teachers can't inflict punishment - powerless
3) Kids get what they want and grow up without any sense of responsibility
4) Social security giving lots of benefits to 7 kids by 7 different fathers and the state paying
5) Too much immigration of people coming here providing poor skills and not working for this country particularly those creating ethnic tensions (too fast, too forceful

I see all the excuses people make on here from "oh he only stole a bottle of water" to "giving them some time in jail is not going to fix that".

I seriously hope all of you who think the rioters should not be punished or its someone else's fault take a good look. I hope they come looting at your house, steal things that are personal to you after all your hard work and make you realise responsibility is "your own personal decision"

Simone hughes is another naff politician like the rest of the lib dems who think they have all the answers but in truth their policies have failed time and again and until young people have a serious sense of morality and respect nothing will change.

Personally it would not do any hard for young looters and hooligans to do national service to instill pride and responsibility where broken homes have failed. Wait for the liberal moans of course.

Seriously people get a grip, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Youth workers, and all these schemes have been going on and what has it achieved. NOTHING. Liberal policies have failed and made this whole situation 10 times worth.

So as its been proven elsewhere, a tough "YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND SUFFER THE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES" attitude needs to be in place.

until then Britain is going (and is already) swirling in the toilet!

Time to choose people!

I didn't write that, veritas - but I wish I had !

All the loony Labour policies have failed - every single one of them.

Those who are fool like to believe there are even greater fools.Let that person believe in their own stupidity

Locked Out wrote:
You're very good at this aren't you. ITK. ......... Do you really hate yourself that much that you can see so little good in almost everyone?

Been out walking again today and ended up in the beautiful Peak District village of Eyam (pronounced Eee-m).

In the 1600s the Black Death arrived in the village (probably carried by fleas on cloth). The villagers isolated themselves for almost a year (during which time 2/3 of the population died).

Neighbouring villagers left food etc at a pre-determined spot an hour before sunset, and the Eyam villagers collected it at sunset (so to minimise any chance of spreading the disease).

Thats real community spirit and self-sacrifice ... which these rioting leaches could not even envisage.

PS - Is leaches ea or ee ?

In The Know wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
You're very good at this aren't you. ITK. ......... Do you really hate yourself that much that you can see so little good in almost everyone?

Been out walking again today and ended up in the beautiful Peak District village of Eyam (pronounced Eee-m).

In the 1600s the Black Death arrived in the village (probably carried by fleas on cloth). The villagers isolated themselves for almost a year (during which time 2/3 of the population died).

Neighbouring villagers left food etc at a pre-determined spot an hour before sunset, and the Eyam villagers collected it at sunset (so to minimise any chance of spreading the disease).

Thats real community spirit and self-sacrifice ... which these rioting leaches could not even envisage.

PS - Is leaches ea or ee ?

Talking of self-sacrifice ever thought of isolating yourself from here? Give you more time to form your world view by reading the Sun in the snug bar of the Miner's Arms in Eyam

you had to reach a fair way back ITK to find an example of 'community spirit' but in all likelihood the kind villagers were probably acting out of personal interest by ensuring their infected friends came no-where near them.

So they had the 'dole' then ?..in the form of food provided to the scroungers..not too different to today.

One of the most depressing factors in the looting is the 'infected' (by advertising) villagers looting shops like Miss Selfridge and coveting brand name trainers.

In The Know wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
You're very good at this aren't you. ITK. ......... Do you really hate yourself that much that you can see so little good in almost everyone?

Been out walking again today and ended up in the beautiful Peak District village of Eyam (pronounced Eee-m).

In the 1600s the Black Death arrived in the village (probably carried by fleas on cloth). The villagers isolated themselves for almost a year (during which time 2/3 of the population died).

Neighbouring villagers left food etc at a pre-determined spot an hour before sunset, and the Eyam villagers collected it at sunset (so to minimise any chance of spreading the disease).

Thats real community spirit and self-sacrifice ... which these rioting leaches could not even envisage.

PS - Is leaches ea or ee ?

for a person who insults most people who disagree with them what would u know about 'community spirit'?

Innocent Accused wrote:
Talking of self-sacrifice ever thought of isolating yourself from here?

Wot - and let idiots keep talking the same rubbish amongst themselves ?
Talk about the blind leading the blind !

Give you more time to form your world view by reading the Sun in the snug bar of the Miner's Arms in Eyam

Who's been googling, then? Miners Arms - probably most haunted inn in Peak District - does very good meals

PS - The name refers to lead and tin miners - not that loony Labour lot!

veritas wrote:
So they had the 'dole' then ?..in the form of food provided to the scroungers..not too different to today.

Minimum requirement supplied through charity, veritas (I doubt there were enough "spare" to buy a Blackberry !)

We have soup kitchens now dont we, and free housing - so why do we pay anyone benefits ? (so they can spend the day using their broadband LOL !)

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
So they had the 'dole' then ?..in the form of food provided to the scroungers..not too different to today.

Minimum requirement supplied through charity, veritas (I doubt there were enough "spare" to buy a Blackberry !)

We have soup kitchens now dont we, and free housing - so why do we pay anyone benefits ? (so they can spend the day using their broadband LOL !)

if that spending power was taken out of the community..you would see thousands of small businesses go bust and another million people unemployed.

The 'dole' was invented by Caesar..handing out wheat so the peasants wouldn't riot and loot !

As you point out.. there is 'free' housing and 'soup kitchens So basically you have accepted a concept of welfare...all we are talking about is how much and how little...as will both Conservatives and Labour. Your dream of the end of welfare is never going to happen.

veritas wrote:
Your dream of the end of welfare is never going to happen.

Wrong again veritas !

I'm proud that Britain has a welfare system (but ashamed of the scroungers who milk it, and take money which should be going to other people).

Benefit for 6 months (max) - then a bullet (and the money saved can boost the NHS / Old Age Pensions etc etc etc) !

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
Your dream of the end of welfare is never going to happen.

Wrong again veritas !

I'm proud that Britain has a welfare system (but ashamed of the scroungers who milk it, and take money which should be going to other people).

Benefit for 6 months (max) - then a bullet (and the money saved can boost the NHS / Old Age Pensions etc etc etc) !

firing squads !! what fun

Locked Out wrote:
Brilliant scheme. Shoot the unemployed after 6 months.

Yes - then we can spend the money saved on deserving causes (like those who have actually worked and contributed to society.

When your mother needs a hip replacement, and is told there is no money left, will you still be so keen to support these scroungers ?

In The Know wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
Brilliant scheme. Shoot the unemployed after 6 months.

Yes - then we can spend the money saved on deserving causes (like those who have actually worked and contributed to society.


I can't believe you seriously mean that.

In The Know wrote:
When your mother needs a hip replacement, and is told there is no money left, will you still be so keen to support these scroungers ?

I've said nothing to suggest that I support anybody who fiddles the system. If I have I'd be delighted if you told me when I did. This is yet another example of you inventing or otherwise fiddling with other peoples' viewpoints.

However there cannot be one truly civilised person in this country who would sanction putting someone to the gun for simply being out of work for more than six months. What you suggest is so utterly - ridiculously - draconian that I can only draw the conclusion that you are being either deliberately obtuse or deliberately provocative. Neither motive is actually even remotely constructive.

My mother, bless her, is coming up for 90, so a hip replacement is not really likely. And even if she were in need of one {which she is isn't and, as I have already pointed out, in all likelihood never will be} I wonder if the NHS {this is the same NHS who have to ring me up in order to find out what dosage of methotrexate they have been prescribing my wife with for the last twelve years} will actually be up to the job regardless of how well funded they are.
I do wonder...

In The Know wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
Brilliant scheme. Shoot the unemployed after 6 months.

Yes - then we can spend the money saved on deserving causes (like those who have actually worked and contributed to society.

When your mother needs a hip replacement, and is told there is no money left, will you still be so keen to support these scroungers ?

there is a solution..cut out corporate welfare ( as large as individuals) and make corporations pay their real tax..ban tax havens or if a corporation (like News Ltd or Topshop or Vodafone-the list is endless) bases themselves in a tax haven then tell them to bugger of and set up shop in the Canary islands and see how much profit they make there

just think of the void they would leave for other businesses to start up..they would be pounding down the doors to even if they paid top rates of tax..that's how capitalism works..any profit is preferable to none.

Locked Out wrote:
My mother, bless her, is coming up for 90, so a hip replacement is not really likely. And even if she were in need of one {which she is isn't and, as I have already pointed out, in all likelihood never will be} I wonder if the NHS {this is the same NHS who have to ring me up in order to find out what dosage of methotrexate they have been prescribing my wife with for the last twelve years} will actually be up to the job regardless of how well funded they are.
I do wonder...

Why dont you stop evading the question ?

OK, your Mum may not need a hip op, but next time you need ANYTHING - and the cash is not there because its already been paid to scroungers - will you still be supportive of them?

If the answer is "Yes" then I withdraw further questions as I'm obviously speaking to Jesus Christ !!!

veritas wrote:
just think of the void they would leave for other businesses to start up..they would be pounding down the doors to even if they paid top rates of tax..that's how capitalism works..any profit is preferable to none.

Go on veritas - do it (risk YOUR money) - and show us how its done instead of rabbitting on ?