We really have to admire Gaddafi's brave defence of his regime, clearly backed by millions of his people, and Saif his brave son... yes, the regime had some appalling and unjust behaviour and, I suspect, blood on its hands... but my God most countries need leaders with the courage and ability to keep control as Gaddafi has done for six months with the entire world fighting him (including the mass media and some on this board).

We have the exact opposite - a weak, uninformed, pathetic bully of a leader, totally dominated and controlled by tabloid editors and simplistic slogans, entirely lacking any backbone.

And just to clarify for posters who specialise in deliberately misinterpreting; I think the "rebels", backed by the bombs and fire power of several Western powers, will win in the end and probably kill Gaddafi and his family (in the courts if not in person) - and virtually any regime will possibly be freer than the current one, if also less efficient - but I am praising the courage and efficiency of a man and his regime for fighting to keep control when he genuinely believed (perhaps wrongly) that he is the best leader for his country and that his people will be wealthier and healthier under his strict rule than under others.

And I am pointing out that losers who said "Gaddafi will be defeated in hours - days" 6 months ago were not very clever.

I tend to agree. I think there will a bloodbath in the coming days, and the situastion will be compared to Iran in the 1980s.

And the most absurd non interview with the International Criminal Court in The Hague - are you upset that Saif and Mohamed Gaddafi are no longer arrested?

Doh.

I was talking to my father before I went to bed last night, and he said that he was amazed by how useless the main media have been, considering that they are on the scene. Many hours of silence in which we were told only that the rebels were still moving on Gaddafi's compound did not wash. Either the rebels were losing badly or nothing of the kind was happening. The confusion over Gaddafi's sons sounded alarm bells in his mind. If all had been going as planned there would have been banner headline.

Your Dad sounds very bright PH - ask him if he agrees it's extraordinary they are not reporting whether Libyan TV is back on air yet and, if it is - who is controlling it?

and I still have to ask the question of NATO (Sarkozy, Obama, Cameron) how do they determine civilian from civilian in Libya? They are all armed. It's a civil war (officially).

Exactly PH and do our leaders (and media) seriously believe the majority are so stupid as to fall for the NATO spin?

Only one thing is certain - thanks to us, thousands of people are now dead who would be alive if we hadn't paid to interfere. We are each accessories to murder.

JK2006 wrote:
We really have to admire Gaddafi's brave defence of his regime, clearly backed by millions of his people, and Saif his brave son.

I ask yet again JK - where are these "millions" of supporters?

Most of the Ministers have fled, the Army has vanished, the new government controls most of the country (and between 50-80% of Tripoli) - the minutiae can be looked at later - all done from pick-up trucks, with a few hand weapons. Thats astonishing.

WHERE are these alleged supporters?
Have they ever existed (unless they had a regime gun in their backs?

They fought for him and kept the entire world away from him for 6 months.
They demonstrated on his behalf in Tripoli and many other towns.
They have died in their thousands because they supported him.
Why they did so I have no idea and it is another point.

But to deny their existence is evidence only of serious brain damage.

IF the reports are true that NATO have been directly targeting Gaddafi's compound then this is further evidence that NATO are not just to ensure the ensure the safety of civilians. I wish the likes of Cameron would stop lying and be honest about their intentions.

JK2006 wrote:
Only one thing is certain - thanks to us, thousands of people are now dead who would be alive if we hadn't paid to interfere. We are each accessories to murder.

I'm sorry JK - I think you have lost your marbles !

Gaddafi was attacking (and killing) his own people (because they wanted rid of him) - a la Assad.

Its what these tyrants do.

Without NATO / UN assistance he was well on the way to erasing Benghazi. Over his 41 year rule his death toll is possibly as high as Hitler's.

In The Know wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
Only one thing is certain - thanks to us, thousands of people are now dead who would be alive if we hadn't paid to interfere. We are each accessories to murder.

I'm sorry JK - I think you have lost your marbles !

Gaddafi was attacking (and killing) his own people (because they wanted rid of him) - a la Assad.

Its what these tyrants do.

Without NATO / UN assistance he was well on the way to erasing Benghazi. Over his 41 year rule his death toll is possibly as high as Hitler's.

The lights are on,but nobody is home