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#77725
veritas

what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
it was clear to me she was a troubled soul...all the hideous rubbish she was spewing out was a reflection of calamities happening in her life.

Now she's become a sacrifice to be crucified first in the media, then on the internet and now in the courts!

denied bail ?? outrageous. In the scheme of things she is a mere blip.

news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8385698/sobbin...man-denies-race-rant
 
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#77727
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Spot on Veritas - as usual; the voice of reason.
We don't have to agree with her rant to feel charitable towards a confused soul.
As increasingly we see more and more human beings losing the plot (which I think, as a species, we did some time ago), the need for decency, tolerance, kindness and intelligence rises.
Sadly it seems the Establishment, representing the majority, is in a far worse state than this mentally fractured woman.
And we know the crime she has actually committed.
She's a good story.
All bow to the great God media.
 
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#77735
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
On the other hand she might simply be what all the evidence {and, let's face it a couple of minutes' worth of video is worth very little when it comes to summing up a person's overall mental state} points to. A nasty, foul mouthed racist, driven to her outrageous expression of venom by nothing more than hatred.

I agree that trial by media is a damning indictment of the world we live in. But that doesn't mean that everyone who falls foul of it is innocent and simply misunderstood.

She needs to be looked after, it's clear. But that she also needs to be taught that the people she abuses have a right to more respect than she afforded them {and, it seems from her plea, she continues to deny them} is also clear.

You guys have a perfect right to your views. Being white and British {I'm presuming in your case, V}, you have a comfortable position from which to form {and in which to voice} your opinions. But if you were black or Polish, Muslim of Asian, you might think differently about how we proceed against verbal racism in a time of extreme economic hardship - conditions which have in the past bred fascism.

I apologise for preaching. But I feel sort of strongly about this.
 
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#77737
veritas

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
she sounded like a nasty foul mouthed racist but does she really deserve to be incarcerated ??

and supposedly for her "own safety" ??

bail denied ? the most she should have got was a ticketed fine. I think.
 
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#77738
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
And what a lovely Christmas for the baby. Society is fucked. With no care for the mentally disturbed - stick 'em in jail.
 
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#77739
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Locked up? No. My chief problem with this woman is twofold. Firstly she's racist. And you don't solve that by incarceration. She'll look for someone to blame. The system which punished her is too big for her to take on. So she'll just hate who she already hates even more. She needs to be shown what happens when societies look for scapegoats. Secondly she's rude, foulmouthed and obnoxious. And for that I have no answer. You can't make people nicer. You can only inspire them. I suspect she may be beyond that.
 
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#77741
andrew

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
I'm not racist towards British black people but do hate the Eastern Europeans who come and sponge our benefits system and work under minimum wage that we can't live on.
This woman does look a bit special and properly she lost her job to workers who are willing to work for less or her boyfriend has.
You can't help racist you might mellow down their views but they still may hate or discriminate them. There is nothing you can do to help this lost soul.
 
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#77742
Evo

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
What the woman in the video says is true though and reflects how a lot of White British people feel. She was not racist or derogatary about other races, she merley pointed out that this country is rammed to capacity with people of non british origin who are here to take advantage of the system.

Talk about a storm in a teacup, its perfectly ok to rant and scream as much as you like if your a muslim or from an ethnic minority on the other hand.

I dont think this woman did anything other than speak the truth but I guess the government do not like that
 
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#77743
Evo

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
The only racist statement made was by the Black Woman who clearly stated that all English white people where lazy
 
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#77744
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
I'll always be greatly uncomfortable when someone is imprisoned for simply opening their mouths and speaking their views. Matters not if we disagree with those views, matters not if we find those views abhorrent, racist, homophobic, nasty...etc' Denying someone their right to express their views is one step shy of living in a state such as Iran, as one example. And in this particular case what is more worrying is that she is currently behind bars purely because someone decided to post her outburst up on You Tube.

For anyone whom has ever been in any doubt...JK has been right all along. If the media like you and your story, you're far more likely to end up behind bars.

You Tube could well be the new tool in suppressing freedom of speech. I was rather hoping it was there to express it.
 
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#77754
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Fair enough, Andrew, you raise two questions. Firstly, are the people you hate sponging or are they working their rocks off for virtually nothing? Because, despite what you claim, they can't be doing both.
And if, as you claim, we couldn't live on what they earn, how do they manage?

I'm sure you'll be able to explain the apparent contradictions in your posting with ease.
 
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#77770
andrew

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
I hate people who come here to get benefits and a council house. I also hate migrant workers who work here as they taken our jobs.

I lost my job in the Summer due to my wages couldn't be paid and terminated my contract with only 3 months left.

If I was migrant/immigrant from some far out country they could probably of kept me on for £3.78 or something an hour.

I worked in a pack-house 2 years ago and it was full of Polish fuckers only 3 English were there including me.

Have you ever seen a Eastern European or Asian living rough on the streets ?

 
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#77795
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Probably the most offensive posting I'm likely to see today. Well done.
 
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#77805
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
andrew wrote:
I hate people who come here to get benefits and a council house. I also hate migrant workers who work here as they taken our jobs.

I lost my job in the Summer due to my wages couldn't be paid and terminated my contract with only 3 months left.

If I was migrant/immigrant from some far out country they could probably of kept me on for £3.78 or something an hour.

I worked in a pack-house 2 years ago and it was full of Polish fuckers only 3 English were there including me.

Have you ever seen a Eastern European or Asian living rough on the streets ?



It's not what you say but the way you say it
Diplomacy goes a lot further than rudeness,and politeness is de rigueur in the company of gentlemen and ladies.

The uncontrolled migration of the eurozone has been a disaster for our youngsters and working classes.
You can't have uncontrolled migration and a welfare state open to all.but on the other side controlled migration is a very useful ally of the economy,an extension of Marx's 'underclass' theory,but without the need to have a simmering proletariat eating away in your bosom.
That said never blame the immigrant for wanting to better themselves.I've worked abroad many times,and lived in places as diverse as Iraq,Ethiopia and Spain in the process.The fault lies with the government for letting it happen.
When the centre looses both touch and control with the public it opens the door to the extremes.Germany 1930s/Russia 1917 being examples.
You can't have policies that mean youngsters have no prospect of work,and not expect civil unrest as we saw in the summer.Sad really that we put people in this position,also if you did loose your job to an immigrant then my sympathy goes with you.Many around here are in exactly the same position.Just try to proportion the blame where it really lies,and not on the individual,who no doubt has the same problems in life as we all do.
 
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#77821
GeminiUK

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
andrew wrote:
I'm not racist towards British black people but do hate the Eastern Europeans who come and sponge our benefits system and work under minimum wage that we can't live on.
This woman does look a bit special and properly she lost her job to workers who are willing to work for less or her boyfriend has.
You can't help racist you might mellow down their views but they still may hate or discriminate them. There is nothing you can do to help this lost soul.


You can't move for eastern european immigrants round here!
Half of them are working their socks off,Poles,Slovaks etc.Decent people mostly,but they are taking jobs that locals could easily do.
The other half are mainly Gypsies,filling up the job centers,often involved in illegal activity,and crowding out locals from the housing market,driving up rents etc.

We really do need to be more picky about who we let in,a look at how the arab countries deal with the people they invite to work there really would show up our current laws and practices.
 
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#77830
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Innocent Accused wrote:
The uncontrolled migration of the eurozone has been a disaster for our youngsters and working classes.[/quote

People are mixing up the terms Eurozone and European Union as if they were the same thing. Most Eastern European countries are not in the Eurozone.

I actually did the opposite of those who come here. I went there. Had 8 years living and working in Eastern Europe, Hungary to be precise, and I loved it.

Anyway, back to the woman on the tram- it turns out someone on another message board I frequent knows her. This is what he wrote earlier:

[b]I learnt today that she's a friend of my ex-fiancée.

Allegedly she is extremely vehement in her hatred of ethnic minorities and has always been so.

Not surprised she's a friend of my ex, she un-friended me on FB last year when I pulled her up on racist comments she made and the racist group she'd started on FB.

She tried talking to me a few months back, but I told her I wasn't interested in being friends with bigots.[/b]
 
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#77835
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
david wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
The uncontrolled migration of the eurozone has been a disaster for our youngsters and working classes.[/quote

People are mixing up the terms Eurozone and European Union as if they were the same thing. Most Eastern European countries are not in the Eurozone.

I actually did the opposite of those who come here. I went there. Had 8 years living and working in Eastern Europe, Hungary to be precise, and I loved it.

Anyway, back to the woman on the tram- it turns out someone on another message board I frequent knows her. This is what he wrote earlier:

[b]I learnt today that she's a friend of my ex-fiancée.

Allegedly she is extremely vehement in her hatred of ethnic minorities and has always been so.

Not surprised she's a friend of my ex, she un-friended me on FB last year when I pulled her up on racist comments she made and the racist group she'd started on FB.

She tried talking to me a few months back, but I told her I wasn't interested in being friends with bigots.[/b]


Yes David,I also lived abroad a long time,and still travel extensively for work.It broadens the mind.
Funny though,but in my travels round eastern europe I met some of the biggest racists ever.Even more racist than your typical asian,the only difference it was quite acceptable to say it out loud.
However strong her views are,it still is an extremity too far to jail a person for their views,more in common with fascism than the tolerance I expect from Briton.
 
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#77836
andrew

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Innocent Accused you got it spot on I remember I worked on a building site the Eastern Europeans are racists and damned right arrogant with it their favorite is English are stupid and lazy.
 
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#77841
Jaded and Bored

Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Good for her and her ilk. Let her rot in jail for a few days. I think she has learned her lesson though
and let this be a warning for all the BNP racists out there. No doubt you would not be so forviging if
she had a turban/burka and was screaming "death to Britain" and praising Bin Laden. You might want to read
how many people got lengthy jail sentences for downloading terrorist material, and quite rightly too.
Yes it is OTT but a stern message needs to go out to the knuckle draggers out there.
 
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#77845
Re:what are they doing to this woman ? 12 Years, 5 Months ago  
Not the slightest flicker of concern for the baby left stranded this Christmas... as I've always known, most public concern for children is fake and insincere.
 
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